Mathematics is a language

# Mathematics is a language

mathematics is beautiful/perfect/discovered not invented

Normie bullshit

mathematics is a language

Truth

What's wrong with that statement? It's a collection of symbols used to convey ideas and information. How is that not a language?

That's like saying English IS the alphabet. Numbers aren't literally the symbols you write down, they are the abstraction of counting things. The mathematics of this idea is this abstraction of counting. The symbols you write down (numbers) is just how you express these ideas.

Numbers are silent/variable/placeholder symbols. More like ways to describe 'non-collisionary space'

Identity = evaluation < physical priorities < concious priorities < properties

Math is not notation though. If you ever learned serious math subjects such as Math logic, Differential geometry, hell even Analysis you would know, that any math theory is based on definitions, after definitions go theorems and lemmas. So basically theorems and lemmas just try to connect different definitions. As Poincare once said "math is about giving the same things different names" So basically, math is language.

I am drunk, so I am sorry I butchered Poincare quote, he said "Math is art of giving same name to different things"

A languague is a set of symbols arranged according to a grammar, so math is a languague.

If its not a natural language that resembles how one ape species communicates its not a language

t. doesn't know what a formal language is

i add the word "finite" to definitions that would otherwise work so i can sound smart on the internet to people who didn't click the link

I can't even begin to imagine how distorted and malfunctioning one mind's must be to say something so obviously false like "math isn't a language".

You obviously don't know how to build grammars. Chris-chan may be retarded, but he invented sonichu. You're lower than him.

I can't even begin to imagine how distorted and malfunctioning one mind's must be to say something so obviously false like "math is a language".

what you mean? It's not a language, there's no grammar or punctuation and you can't communicate with math

notation != language

I know he did

Of course it has a grammar. Fuck off. How do you think the compilers that generate the code that run in your fagbook pro that allow you to say dumb shit on the internet work?

you've gone from LARPing to trolling

as if I'd ever be caught dead with fagbook jew

a poorly written Wikipedia article with no relevant citations

Got any non popsci source?

formal languages aren't a kind of language because i said so!!!

Who are you quoting?

Logic!=math. Being a reductionist is a good sign that you don't know what you are talking about so you just add a layer of abstraction but say it as it's supposed to be obvious. Mathematics is not defined by the way we express the ideas.

No? There have been various changes to formalism and notation throughout history, but the concepts are still holding.

That the way we express mathematics, and the logical systems we use change over time, so how on earth can it be a language?

No, but saying mathematics is a language means that it is a way of communicating ideas, but there are plenty of ways of communicating mathematical ideas and they are equivalent, so is the Language literally the idea? Or the ideas are more abstract entities. Is your idea of a chair dependant of if I call it a "chair" or "silla" in Spanish?

Well, I assume people that enter in these debates are usually a bit mathematical literate, but that's naive of my part. **en.m.wikipedia.org****maa.org**

so? that's like saying english isn't a language because you can write english words in a non-latin alphabet or speak them in one accent as opposed to another

alternatives to a theory are inequivalent to that theory by definition, dipshit. talk about mathematical illiteracy

that's like saying english isn't a language because you can write English words in non latin alphabet or speak them in one accent or another

Are you american? Do you literally not understand what is to express an idea in a different language? Also, what the hell is writing English words in "non-latin alphabet? No the example is clear enough you moron, the idea of ducking green is independent of the way you express it.

Alternative to a theory are different to that theory by definition

Jesus you are dumber than I thought, they are equivalent in the sense that a proposition that is true in one theory will be in the other one, it's just a change to foundations, that is, if you have an alternative formulation that predicts that there is a plane triangle whose internal sum any other thing than 180 degrees then you have a problem.

a set (finite or infinite) of sentences

sorry chompsky but there are no infinite sets. math confirmed for not a language because languages are ill defined.

It could be used to establish initial communication with ayys, as could certainly physical ratios (electron to proton mass for example). Linguists need to get out, of course it doesn't satisfy your precious, artificially-constructed axioms of what constitutes a spoken language, it's not a statement to be taken absolutely literally you unimaginative autists.

This whole thread is nigger-tier.

Read the basics before spewing opinions on a topic: **plato.stanford.edu****plato.stanford.edu**

not following what you're saying. All I'm saying is that if we beamed the digits of pi out into space in some reasonable system (e.g. binary) then the ayys picking it up will realise it isn't just a fluke and some intelligence is transmitting it. Yes this is basic maths but still maths.

So? The language used there was a binary representation, the thing that would make them aware there are other intelligent being in the universe is our understanding of the concept of pi which is easily obtainable if we just show a graphical representation of a diameter and how much it fits in the cirumference of a circle. That concept is independent of what base number system you use, and has nothing to do with language.

people often mention what I did in the context of communication where you don't come face to face. Trying to send an image that they can put together might be too much, whereas simply modulating a signal to represent binary digits of pi is a much more basic method.

Another interesting problem is, if we can communicate, but don't know where each other are (more hypothetical), how do we describe our location? We'd need, essentially, concepts of left and right, and it turns out to be possible to describe this by physics assuming the aliens are made of matter as opposed to antimatter (electromagnetism is the other way round for antimatter). Admittedly we'd need an actual language to discuss the physics, but in a loose sense the physics and associated mathematics is a means of communication. With some imagination there are other useful ways in which mathematics could facilitate contact with other intelligence.

they're popular for a reason, but that's beside the point. They demonstrate there is a case to be made that fundamental mathematics and physics can be used to establish dialogue between intelligences.

That being said, a sufficiently advanced intelligence might be able to work out that our radio broadcasts show an inherent intelligence to them, work out how to build a television, and watch us, but I doubt it, not least because of the weakness of our leaked signals. Communication with ayys would have to be targeted, and we may as well make it easy for them and just send pi or e or whatever in binary pulses to indicate intelligence.

Brilliant, why don't you post it on reddit so everyone can great you properly?