Mathematics is a language

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Mathematics is a language

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_language
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_set_theory
maa.org/book/export/html/641727
plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-mathematics/
plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/

TreeEater
TreeEater

Mathematics is a language
Who are you quoting?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I hate this low-IQ meme.

eGremlin
eGremlin

The group of people you apparently belong to

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

it is tho

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Supergrass
Supergrass

The universe is a holofractal

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Is it not, faggot? Please elaborate.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

t. newfag

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Mathematics is a language

This normie bullshit triggers me.

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

mathematics is beautiful/perfect/discovered not invented
Normie bullshit

mathematics is a language
Truth

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

take linguistics 101, you'll learn what's a language

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

What's wrong with that statement? It's a collection of symbols used to convey ideas and information. How is that not a language?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

notation != language

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

That's actually pretty good point. I'm convinced now.

iluvmen
iluvmen

It is

askme
askme

Explain how it's a language.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

That's like saying English IS the alphabet. Numbers aren't literally the symbols you write down, they are the abstraction of counting things. The mathematics of this idea is this abstraction of counting. The symbols you write down (numbers) is just how you express these ideas.

Methshot
Methshot

Mathematics is a language

Fuck this leftist meme

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Numbers are silent/variable/placeholder symbols. More like ways to describe 'non-collisionary space'

Identity = evaluation < physical priorities < concious priorities < properties

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Math is not notation though. If you ever learned serious math subjects such as Math logic, Differential geometry, hell even Analysis you would know, that any math theory is based on definitions, after definitions go theorems and lemmas. So basically theorems and lemmas just try to connect different definitions. As Poincare once said "math is about giving the same things different names" So basically, math is language.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I am drunk, so I am sorry I butchered Poincare quote, he said "Math is art of giving same name to different things"

farquit
farquit

A languague is a set of symbols arranged according to a grammar, so math is a languague.

Booteefool
Booteefool

If its not a natural language that resembles how one ape species communicates its not a language

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

t. doesn't know what a formal language is

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_language

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

who the fuck would think that

StonedTime
StonedTime

Explain

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

mathematics is a set of finite sequences of symbols in a finite set

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

i add the word "finite" to definitions that would otherwise work so i can sound smart on the internet to people who didn't click the link

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Spamalot
Spamalot

formal languages are in any way similar to language

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massdebater
massdebater

formal languages aren't a kind of language because i said so!!!

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

let us define x as
not a language
brainlets

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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eGremlin
eGremlin

posts a sentence in english
pretends it's from another language

whereismyname
whereismyname

I can't even begin to imagine how distorted and malfunctioning one mind's must be to say something so obviously false like "math isn't a language".

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

You obviously don't know how to build grammars. Chris-chan may be retarded, but he invented sonichu. You're lower than him.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I can't even begin to imagine how distorted and malfunctioning one mind's must be to say something so obviously false like "math is a language".

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

The cat stared at you, didn't he?

Inmate
Inmate

No.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

what you mean? It's not a language, there's no grammar or punctuation and you can't communicate with math
notation != language

Techpill
Techpill

I know he did

Of course it has a grammar. Fuck off. How do you think the compilers that generate the code that run in your fagbook pro that allow you to say dumb shit on the internet work?

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Flameblow
Flameblow

you've gone from LARPing to trolling
as if I'd ever be caught dead with fagbook jew

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

It's obviously a reddit thing.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Math is a written language.

Evilember
Evilember

there's no grammar or punctuation

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

a poorly written Wikipedia article with no relevant citations
Got any non popsci source?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

formal languages aren't a kind of language because i said so!!!
Who are you quoting?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

One Mathematical Cat, Please!

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happy_sad
happy_sad

One Mathematical Dog, Please!

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

It literally is.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Logic!=math. Being a reductionist is a good sign that you don't know what you are talking about so you just add a layer of abstraction but say it as it's supposed to be obvious. Mathematics is not defined by the way we express the ideas.

Inmate
Inmate

If mathematics was a language why are you so dyslexic at it?

Evilember
Evilember

mathematics is a beautiful but imperfect invented language

Firespawn
Firespawn

mathematics is a beautiful

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Flameblow
Flameblow

No? There have been various changes to formalism and notation throughout history, but the concepts are still holding.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

it's

what's your point?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

That the way we express mathematics, and the logical systems we use change over time, so how on earth can it be a language?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

are you trying to tell me that languages don't change, buddy?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

No, but saying mathematics is a language means that it is a way of communicating ideas, but there are plenty of ways of communicating mathematical ideas and they are equivalent, so is the Language literally the idea? Or the ideas are more abstract entities. Is your idea of a chair dependant of if I call it a "chair" or "silla" in Spanish?

Nojokur
Nojokur

and they are equivalent
[citation needed]

Booteefool
Booteefool

Well, I assume people that enter in these debates are usually a bit mathematical literate, but that's naive of my part. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_set_theory that for alternatives to set theory, there's also category theory. Historically, a lot of mathematics was argued with words as you can see from these texts maa.org/book/export/html/641727 and it has been pretty recent that we can put mathematics in such a language as modern set theory, but Leibniz arguments are still correct, Euclid + pasch axiom is enough for geometry even if the language is different to that of algebra.

MPmaster
MPmaster

so? that's like saying english isn't a language because you can write english words in a non-latin alphabet or speak them in one accent as opposed to another

alternatives to a theory are inequivalent to that theory by definition, dipshit. talk about mathematical illiteracy

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

that's like saying english isn't a language because you can write English words in non latin alphabet or speak them in one accent or another
Are you american? Do you literally not understand what is to express an idea in a different language? Also, what the hell is writing English words in "non-latin alphabet? No the example is clear enough you moron, the idea of ducking green is independent of the way you express it.

Alternative to a theory are different to that theory by definition
Jesus you are dumber than I thought, they are equivalent in the sense that a proposition that is true in one theory will be in the other one, it's just a change to foundations, that is, if you have an alternative formulation that predicts that there is a plane triangle whose internal sum any other thing than 180 degrees then you have a problem.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

a set (finite or infinite) of sentences
sorry chompsky but there are no infinite sets. math confirmed for not a language because languages are ill defined.

viagrandad
viagrandad

nt wildmerican

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

It could be used to establish initial communication with ayys, as could certainly physical ratios (electron to proton mass for example). Linguists need to get out, of course it doesn't satisfy your precious, artificially-constructed axioms of what constitutes a spoken language, it's not a statement to be taken absolutely literally you unimaginative autists.

Firespawn
Firespawn

This whole thread is nigger-tier.
Read the basics before spewing opinions on a topic: plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-mathematics/
plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/

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FastChef
FastChef

nigger-tier
Why the racism?

takes2long
takes2long

racism
why the niggardry?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Why the bigotry?

TreeEater
TreeEater

nothing bigotted about it; it follows empirically

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WebTool
WebTool

Seems based to me.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

What the hell do you think math is? Pop sci and the number 2?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

not following what you're saying. All I'm saying is that if we beamed the digits of pi out into space in some reasonable system (e.g. binary) then the ayys picking it up will realise it isn't just a fluke and some intelligence is transmitting it. Yes this is basic maths but still maths.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

heyo no racism here please Xxxx

viagrandad
viagrandad

never heard a single person say this

t. 3rd year maths major

5mileys
5mileys

So? The language used there was a binary representation, the thing that would make them aware there are other intelligent being in the universe is our understanding of the concept of pi which is easily obtainable if we just show a graphical representation of a diameter and how much it fits in the cirumference of a circle. That concept is independent of what base number system you use, and has nothing to do with language.

cum2soon
cum2soon

t. never taken theory of automata

w8t4u
w8t4u

Where is the racism? She wrote that.

askme
askme

t. Extrapolates his gaps of knowledge

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

people often mention what I did in the context of communication where you don't come face to face. Trying to send an image that they can put together might be too much, whereas simply modulating a signal to represent binary digits of pi is a much more basic method.

Another interesting problem is, if we can communicate, but don't know where each other are (more hypothetical), how do we describe our location? We'd need, essentially, concepts of left and right, and it turns out to be possible to describe this by physics assuming the aliens are made of matter as opposed to antimatter (electromagnetism is the other way round for antimatter). Admittedly we'd need an actual language to discuss the physics, but in a loose sense the physics and associated mathematics is a means of communication. With some imagination there are other useful ways in which mathematics could facilitate contact with other intelligence.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Jesus reddit, how many times we need to tell you to fuck off?

Bidwell
Bidwell

/usepackage

MPmaster
MPmaster

I try to give you nice things but all I get is hate

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whereismyname
whereismyname

Nah, you just repeat pop sci memes.

SniperGod
SniperGod

they're popular for a reason, but that's beside the point. They demonstrate there is a case to be made that fundamental mathematics and physics can be used to establish dialogue between intelligences.

That being said, a sufficiently advanced intelligence might be able to work out that our radio broadcasts show an inherent intelligence to them, work out how to build a television, and watch us, but I doubt it, not least because of the weakness of our leaked signals. Communication with ayys would have to be targeted, and we may as well make it easy for them and just send pi or e or whatever in binary pulses to indicate intelligence.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Brilliant, why don't you post it on reddit so everyone can great you properly?

Supergrass
Supergrass

:o)

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