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Charles Murray came and talked to us. He said "drumpf, idiot, lol"

that mustache looks so natural on her. she really pulls it off.

Yes, but Jensen's books are generally much better

it's racist trash, get back to /pol/

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Back to /x/, liberal creationist.

>back

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actual science is verboten on Veeky Forums so the answer is no

There is no such thing as Veeky Forums approved. We're not like /pol/ We don't need some kind of verification that a book won't hurt are feelings before we read it. We're not afraid of facts or reality.

Go back to your conspiracy theories.

>making theories based on certain assumptions is a conspiracy theory
get out of here you brainlet, pol just has some out of the box but not necessarily untrue assumptions

Short answer: no.

The original source is fraudulent statistics generated by a eugenicist shill Richard Lynn for political purposes.

In the 60's, liberals made a big push for blacks to be able to go to the schools their tax dollars helped to fund. There was a strong conservative pushback. It became important to prove that blacks are subhuman to justify their disenfranchisement.

See pic related, from the following metastudy:
Jelte M. Wicherts, Conor V. Dolan, Han L.J. van der Maas, The dangers of unsystematic selection methods and the representativeness of 46 samples of African test-takers, Intelligence, Volume 38, Issue 1, 2010, Pages 30-37, ISSN 0160-2896, dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2009.11.003
>In light of all the available IQ data of over 37,000 African test-takers, only the use of unsystematic methods to exclude the vast majority of data could result in a mean IQ close to 70. On the basis of sound methods, the average IQ remains close to 80. Although this mean IQ is clearly lower than 100, we view it as unsurprising in light of the potential of the Flynn Effect in Africa (Wicherts, Borsboom, & Dolan, 2010) and common psychometric problems associated with the use of western IQ tests among Africans.
Read the whole thing if you want, it's pretty illuminating. Basically with Lynn, high IQ = unrepresentative, low IQ = representative. He even contradicted his own stated selection standards at times. Lynn had responded to other critiques of his studies, but he went silent after this one.

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news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/Race-differences-in-average-IQ-are-largely-genetic.aspx

"A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic."

You do not understand the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. No one from /pol/ has enough intelligence to make scientific hypothesis. You are only making assumptions and when people challenge those assumptions you claim its a conspiracy against you.

If we're talking about intelligence then race doesn't matter. We should judge people solely based on their IQ and ignore skin color.

You are just upset because you have a low IQ and you think we should have to accept you because of your skin color.

From the nytimes

Pizzagate is real.

>But even if average sub-saharan IQ is 80, that's still very low, right? Ha!
Of course. The average IQ (as in the measured value correlated with "intelligence") should be lower in underdeveloped, famine- and war-torn nations.
But if you took those blacks and raised generations of them in London, what would their IQ measure?
This is what "The Bell Curve" tried to answer. They did some statistical wizardry using Lynn's base figure of 70 and arrived at a calculated mean of 85. And that's where those fake curves originate.

Of course, if the more accurate correct base figure of 80 is used, the american black IQ might have come up to 95 or higher... but that would have contradicted their funding body's agenda. Can we trust The Bell Curve when it actually incorporates IQ data from hospital-bound, malaria-infected children? (Note: Malaria is known to cause brain damage in about half its victims, so no self-respecting scientist would ever consider such data representative...)

The Asian curve also used Lynn's studies as a base, including a body of studies that have also been debunked. Especially notable is a study that placed Japanese IQ at 111, later debunked by Japanese researchers who found it based on extremely biased samples. But the eugenicist and segregationist agenda desperately needed these results as well, to promote what they perceived as racial "purity".

Here's an easy read, fully cited with direct links to academic journals discussing the matter:
nybooks.com/articles/1994/12/01/the-tainted-sources-of-the-bell-curve/

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>the skin color fallacy again

I'm out. Not debating with creationists anymore.

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You seem to be lost, friend. This is a thread about "The Bell Curve."

>From the nytimes
What is?

In other words, you can give /pol/ boys all the advantages available in the richest, freest, most opportunity-filled society the world has ever produce and they will just complain about how the jews are ruining their life and squander their minds shitposting online.

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So you agree we should judge people solely based on IQ?

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Yes. But that's correlated with race.

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>the skin color fallacy again!!!

Wealth disparity doesn't mean anything on its own, all that matters is the real wealth of the economy and the people.

It's interesting that the useful idiots of /pol/ can't countenance academic dishonesty when it comes to racial IQ studies, but accept it quite easily in regards to other issues such as climate change.
They believe what they want, primarily because it suits them.

Dr. King said at the end of the Selma to Montgomery march,
>...it may be said of the Reconstruction era that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow. He gave him Jim Crow.
>And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was,
>at least he was a white man, better than the black man.
>And he ate Jim Crow. And when his undernourished children cried out for the necessities that his low wages could not provide, he showed them the Jim Crow signs on the buses and in the stores, on the streets and in the public buildings.
>And his children, too, learned to feed upon Jim Crow, their last outpost of psychological oblivion.
They're addicted to being a master race. They really just can't help it at this point; they need their fix. Just smile and nod at the brainlets.

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It's easy /pol/ believes anything that contradicts them is a conspiracy of some kind. They also have large egos. Imagine everyone on /pol/ is like Alex Jones. They think they understand climate science more than actual climate scientists. They think they know more about human genetics and intelligence than everyone else.

Race is very different from skin color.

nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

"This study has been joined by others finding genetic predictors of behavior. One of these, led by the geneticist Danielle Posthuma, studied more than 70,000 people and found genetic variations in more than 20 genes that were predictive of performance on intelligence tests."

>/pol/tards calling anyone creationist

Who is talking about climate science? I'm totally okay with the mainstream consensus.
It's the left that has these conspiracy hypothesis of patriarchy, white oppression etc.

Why does that matter when you average /pol/tard or alt right conservative is just as bad or worse than your average black person?

I'm not the one denying human evolution.

nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

"You will sometimes hear that any biological differences among populations are likely to be small, because humans have diverged too recently from common ancestors for substantial differences to have arisen under the pressure of natural selection. This is not true. The ancestors of East Asians, Europeans, West Africans and Australians were, until recently, almost completely isolated from one another for 40,000 years or longer, which is more than sufficient time for the forces of evolution to work. Indeed, the study led by Dr. Kong showed that in Iceland, there has been measurable genetic selection against the genetic variations that predict more years of education in that population just within the last century."

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Says the antifa that kicks old ladies.

>If you're not on my side, you're a communist liberal socialist antifa!

Typical paranoid schizo

>blacks are not genetically more violent
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24326626

Ok. Let's say some percentage of the differences in behavior or intelligence is due solely to genetic differences between races. What percent do you believe that is? What does that matter? What is your point here?

>procreation is so fucking hetero, when is science going to accept the gay uncle theory

>conspiracy hypothesis
Did you know that only 55 years ago it was illegal (as in get arrested illegal) for blacks to go to the majority of schools, and >97% of colleges had a quota system of 100% white/0% other?

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Do you really think the apomorphies these clades are "skin colors"?

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>one allele turns you into a murderer!!!
top kek. you morons will never understand genetics.

For one, this a rare allele found in extremely low percentages in all populations. It's not like the majority of black people have this allele. It's not like white people don't have this allele.

Also, less than 1% of any given population is a violent criminal.

Genetic Clades (Ethic Groups), Skin Color & IQ are highly correlated.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
"Although the heritability of IQ for adults is between 58% and 77%,[5] (with some more-recent estimates as high as 80%[6] and 86%[7]) genome-wide association studies have so far identified only 20%-50% of the genetic variation that contributes to heritability.[8] "

How heritable a trait is does not mean that different frequencies of a trait are the result of different heritability of that trait.

They are correlated but they are not the same thing. Melanesians and bantus are very distant genetically but have the same skin color just to give an example.

The average IQ of a poor chinese child is almost two standard deviations above compared to an african american child, that receives 100x more resources to its education.

Nobody is arguing for different heritability rates.

Yes, they are. The assumption is that because intelligence is highly heritable, then a large percentage of the differences in IQ scores is due to differences in genetics. The implication is that blacks have lots of "worse" alleles for intelligence and behavior. This thinking comes from a large failure in understanding of what is meant by heritability and trying to compare traits and heritability between populations.

that's funny, are you acting like that's my post? is this your website?

answersingenesis.org/suffering/did-god-give-stephen-hawking-als/

wow, what a brick of text with literally 0 point conveyed. What point am I supposed to argue here? That being isolated on a small island like iceland makes you inbred and less educated? hmm yup agree with that one.

Don't lose your time arguing with libtard creationists.

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>white trash are not genetically more violent

Each Dog breed have a certain innate characteristic stereotypical behavior & temperament , influenced more by genetics than environmental factor.

Curiously the dog breed's temperament matches with the culture of the nation which domesticated them.

Germans are like the German Sheppard
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Shepherd
Japanese are like the Shiba Inu
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiba_Inu
Russians are like the Siberian Husky
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Husky

The Africans are like Wild Wolves

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Dogs have more genetic diversity than humans do, and they have been selectively bred for thousands of years.

>they have been selectively bred for thousands of years.
Implying that Humans such as Jews aren't selectively INbreeding for thousands of years.

>For one, this a rare allele found in extremely low percentages in all populations. It's not like the majority of black people have this allele. It's not like white people don't have this allele.
What are you talking about? That's just dumb, i'm sure all kinds of people have this allele, what matters is the prevalence of this allele in a group.

Why sjws are so incredibly hateful and racist? If this is not hate speech then I don't know what it is.

Those poor chinese children are permitted to go to school and are encouraged to study as hard as they can. Their entire culture is built around education. If a child is a high achiever in China, he can go to a top university and make good money. Go find me the evidence of young Chinese boys being barred from the schools their own families' tax money funded.
It's the opposite of American black culture which was intentionally crafted (read William Lynch) to shun education and knowledge. You can't dismiss it as a "hypothesis" or conspiracy when it's this well-documented.

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We are in 2018. Negroes are encouraged to go to universities. There is also affirmative action etc.

No sweetie.

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it cant only be hate speech when it's you, sweetie

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That was an ironic post user.

>We are in 2018.
>correlates race with IQ and call it causation with no evidence
>correlates year with social progress by ignoring literal nazi protestors fighting to honor southern civil war general statues erected to intimidate during the civil rights era.
That's just poor logical thinking right there.

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2.5? So the white US murder rate is still almost twice that of European countries?

and me as well

can't quite make out the y axis there, judging by the rest of the graph I'm assuming it must be poverty rate?

Not him but the Chinese have had well over a thousand years of national educational testing with the imperial examinations you retarded fool. African Americans as a whole just received the right to access equal resources in education 64 years ago.

Of course they have higher standard deviation. At this point the entire Han Chinese population including the poorest are more familiar with studying and testing than any human population on this rock. Meanwhile other East Asians in the Koreas and Japan we're among the first adopters of that methodology.

wait so there's a sub saharan african country with a lower murder rate than US whites? I guess those white rapists are even more violent than we thought!

There are differences in IQ between races. That's a fact. The point of contention is how much of this difference is due to genetics and how much is due to environment. Also: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)
"Traditionally, research on g has on psychometric investigations of test data, with a special emphasis on factor analytic approaches. However, empirical research on the nature of g has also drawn upon experimental cognitive psychology and mental chronometry, brain anatomy and physiology, quantitative and molecular genetics, and primate evolution.[3]"

All these correlations are evidence for some genetic component. They are not meant to establish a direct causal link.

>We are in 2018.
But the IQ studies are not from 2018, are they? They're all from the 80's and before -- a mere 20 years after integration.

>Negroes are encouraged to go to universities. There is also affirmative action.
You are correct.
So now show the sense to let the results play out before you evaluate them. Anything else is just intellectually dishonest.
The same way there are age 65+ old white men fighting desperately for segregation, and useful idiots marching with tiki torches trying to create a white ethnostate, there are also old blacks perpetuating the old culture.
Just last week I heard a 66-year-old great-grandmother (yes, you heard right: she had her daughter at 16, who had her daughter at 16, who had her daughter at 17) proudly proclaim "my family isn't into books and shit".
Widespread cultural shift doesn't happen overnight.

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Reunion is a little island.

The gap persists in modern studies.

Yes. The Han were selected for high IQ in part due to thousand years of national educational testings.

>The gap persists in modern studies.
Racism persists in modern studies.

"no"
Read it and the sources and you'll see why the Bell curve and similar IQ shamanism is no longer considered scientifically valuable

Citation?

The wikipedia is run by Jews.
The wikipedia promotes IQ shamanism.
Ergo, Jews promote IQ shamanism?!

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Citation?

You first.

Just an example, but you could google it.
brookings.edu/articles/the-black-white-test-score-gap-why-it-persists-and-what-can-be-done/

>Sunday, March 1, 1998

So why are you comparing the two then? We aren't even a century in and you're expecting African Americans as whole to make up that gap (population wise) just because resources are being thrown at them in a short period of time. Like an earlier poster stated let the education system do it's work, it's clear it worked for the Chinese. The issue is time and we know it works because most of the modern innovation from people of African descent are African American in origin.

Alternatively if you're so desperate for immediate results force America as a nation to do the 12-14 hour school days like the South Korean children are doing right now.

>Sunday, March 1, 1998
but googling didn't do much for you user

So you admit the difference is partially genetic, since many generations selecting the smarter individuals will be needed.

Since we are looking at 1998 Brookings articles how does this one fit your fancy?
brookings.edu/articles/the-clash-of-purposes-environmental-justice-and-risk-assessment/

brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highlight-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/
February 2017

This is a leftist SJW publication. They acknowledge the gap, but they will never admit that biological factors for the difference.

I'm just using this article for the data.