Is math a human invention?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Is math a human invention?

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ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

No.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

No, math has boundaries, therefore it is not invented

Firespawn
Firespawn

No, math exists in a platonic realm and can only be discovered.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Axioms are invented. Consequences and implications are discovered.

takes2long
takes2long

No, humans are a math invention.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Yes. There's no way for us to know that we are viewing/measuring reality as it is and not as it appears to us.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Holy fuck finally someone posts this.

w8t4u
w8t4u

This is unironically correct.

Emberburn
Emberburn

This

RavySnake
RavySnake

Holy fuck finally someone agrees with my retarded belief
Congratulations?

WebTool
WebTool

The question sounds flawed. We should firstly investigate if it is valid.

Thus: what is an invention?
I recently noted that refinement is at least slghtly closer to the truth. But I don't feel satisfied by that.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I agree.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Little addition: what exactly is math in regards of the question?

FastChef
FastChef

I think on "human" we can all agree, though it reaches a bit into the realm on "invention"

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

mathematics is the language we use to describe the things around us.

whereismyname
whereismyname

*quantify the things around us

WebTool
WebTool

Yes. Any mathematician worth their salt would say the same.

Supergrass
Supergrass

yep and a very weak one at that. math goes to shit after 1=1=1

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

can you elaborate what you mean by platonic realm
(not trolling)

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Is math a human invention?
Nope, it's just counting shit around us. It's an invention in terms of complex thought I guess

SniperWish
SniperWish

platonic realm
wat

DeathDog
DeathDog

Only up to the axioms you assume. Which we pick to get the results we desire.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Mathematical platonism just means you believe in the existence of mathematical objects as real objective things we study, rather than some fictional construction of our minds.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Yes

RavySnake
RavySnake

A wakandian invention

JunkTop
JunkTop

Yes, "maths" is a human invention, but we invented something stronger than we could grasp

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

implying an intelligent species outside of earth would use the exact same math as us
no, its invented. And other civilisations have (if they exist) invented their own language -- equivalent to our math

Spamalot
Spamalot

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laughable

for example, the existence of 2 objects that we can directly coorelate to a mathematical representation.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

their own language -- equivalent to our math
There's a difference between Mathematics vs. the superficial culture specific approaches to working with it.
The "equivalency" you're referring to is actual Mathematics. The language details aren't important, the actual stuff underlying the language mapping is discovered.

massdebater
massdebater

Intrinsic aspects of mathematics are present, best examples which is always given in first encounter media is prime number sequences and the fibonnaci sequence.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Humans can't invent anything, only discover.

Skullbone
Skullbone

baahahahahaahaha this is such a retarded belief

Firespawn
Firespawn

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RumChicken
RumChicken

The Bible and Shakespeare were both retarded
Nah, I think it's more likely you're just retarded.
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes 1:9&version=KJV

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

using the bible in an argument about anything besides theology/philosophy
/out/

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

math is inherent in the universe
notation is invented

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

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SniperGod
SniperGod

What else, other than humans, uses it?

likme
likme

i would even argue that all potential axioms exist and are just waiting to be discovered

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

math
having anything to do with reality

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Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I think the mere existence of the pi number show us that math is actually an invention, a human craft as a tool to understand the nature and to put some standars for engineering applications.

Why is so hard to accept that?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Me too.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

because it's wrong and retarded

Supergrass
Supergrass

all of these fucking Platonists
Pretty disappointed in this board right now desu senpai

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

physicists are not welcome on this board, buddy

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5mileys
5mileys

You should unironically kill yourself.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

How about the complex numbers and the C set ?
i2=-1 is conterintuitive unless you "imagine" a world where it could exist.

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

We will be laughing in our graves when you discover multi-verse.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

...as opposed to what other kind of invention?

massdebater
massdebater

What's the difference? What does "real objective existence" even mean?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Of course, mathematics is just a language lol.

StonedTime
StonedTime

totally this

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

No, its a Jewish invention

viagrandad
viagrandad

Fuck off

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