Solar eclipse? Ain't that a weird coincidence?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Solar eclipse? Ain't that a weird coincidence?

Earth is the only habitable planet that we know of.
Earth is the only planet with intelligent life that we know of.
Earth has an unusually large moon for its size.
The size of the moon / its distance from earth is weirdly enough perfect so that the moon just covers the sun from time to time. Not too big, not too small.

Does this seem like a likely coincidence?

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GoogleCat
GoogleCat

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Earth is the only habitable planet that we know of.
Nope.

MPmaster
MPmaster

you know for sure there is another one?
if I could teleport you for three days to any planet ever discovered, would you do it?

not so sure anymore, are you?

Inmate
Inmate

Scientism has somehow convinced people that it's down to pure chance.

I also find it funny that people think the lunar eclipse is caused by the earth's shadow. If you actually watch one like pic related, you can see that the "shadow" comes in from the wrong side and disappears from the wrong side. The moon lights itself, this is confirmed by measuring the temperature of moon light which is colder than shade.

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

wat are you even ...?
wat?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Look it up brainlet.

WebTool
WebTool

autism incarnate

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

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happy_sad
happy_sad

No argument

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

the earth is flat and the moon is a cardboard cut-out carried by three pegasi attached by a shared intestine. i know you don't have an argument, so don't bother responding.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Not that guy but I would do it.
Either I prove there's another habitable planet or I'm the first person to die trying to prove it.
Its a win/win.
Same reason I'd try to befriend any public appearance of aliens if I could.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

The heliocentric model is just as ridiculous as that.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Without another couple of universes to compare to we won't be able to say if this is an odd occurrence or just what tends to happen

farquit
farquit

A few million years from now the moon will drift far enough away so that total solar eclipses will be impossible. So it is even more coincidental that we happen to live during a period of time where total solar eclipses are possible. That is why we should continue to study the moon, the solar system, and distant systems. To see if this really is a rare occurrence or if there is something we have missed.

For a farfetched example, a theory exists or existed that the moon was form when a mars sized rock collided with Earth and a large chunk of debris ended up in orbit. It is possible that if such theory was true. Another theory is that life on Earth originated from somewhere else, and arrived here by space debris. It is possible that the event that delivered life to earth could have been the same one that created the moon. Or even possible that the conditions for life weren't possible until the collision started some tectonic tier chain reaction that would lead to life. If large moons only form from such collisions, and such collisions have a greater chance for kickstarting life, then it is possible that the majority of all planets with relatively large moons harbor life, in which case the vast majority of life in the universe may experience eclipses.

Again, I'm just talking out my ass for the sake of providing an example.

takes2long
takes2long

who knows, maybe some alien a billion lightyears away is currently wondering how it can't be coincidence that Splargh is the only planet in it's solar system to not only the only habitable planet they know of but also has this beautiful ring system that sparkles like a billion diamonds at night from the reflected sunlight

Bidwell
Bidwell

I'm going to invalidate the status quo by making statements without any supporting evidence whatsoever
Uh huh, how's that working out for ya?

Snarelure
Snarelure

I've actually watched a few and the direction in comes in makes perfect sense if you assume the distances and positions the heliocentric model presents, the fact that the Moon is moving into the Earth's shadow and account for your location on the sphere Earth.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

another couple of universes

Aren't you going a little overboard with this?

I think a couple of other planets that harbor intelligent life would be sufficient for a comparison.

SniperGod
SniperGod

yeah, so what? doesn't change the fact that the size/placement of the moon is still weird

given the size of the universe all kinds of weird shit "might" be true

but if you have a sample of one, and this sample shows some highly unusual property that you wouldn't really expect - it's weird to say the least

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

There's actually a moon of Jupiter that has the same ratio of size to distance from the Sun, so it would make total eclipses if it crosses in plane.

Anyway, the fact that total solar eclipses can occur isn't that special. Annular eclipses can also occur, when the Moon is further away in its orbit and cannot completely cover the disc of the Sun.

What's that? You didn't know about annular eclipses? I guess you shouldn't just repeat arguments you hear without researching them then.

TechHater
TechHater

Look at the supposed shadow being cast on the moon by the earth during a lunar eclipse, do you not see how it's on the wrong side if that were true?

Moonlight being colder than shade is well known and proven countless times. You can do it yourself.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I have never once seen the shadow cast on the moon be on the wrong side. I have never heard of moonlight being "colder" than shade either, and haven't looked either, but I do suspect I will find a lack of scientific or academic studies supporting that claim

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Look at the supposed shadow being cast on the moon by the earth during a lunar eclipse, do you not see how it's on the wrong side if that were true?
You do realise that the motion of the Moon though the sky is caused by the rotation of the Earth, which has nothing to do with the shadow or the lunar eclipse?

girlDog
girlDog

Moonlight being colder than shade is well known and proven countless times. You can do it yourself.
The flaws in the testing have been pointed out countless times and I'm waiting for summer to do the definitive test.

cum2soon
cum2soon

I have never once seen the shadow cast on the moon be on the wrong side.

Explain pic related then.

I have never heard of moonlight being "colder" than shade either, and haven't looked either, but I do suspect I will find a lack of scientific or academic studies supporting that claim

Thousands of people have proven this with scientific experimentation.

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Bidwell
Bidwell

You do realise that the motion of the Moon though the sky is caused by the rotation of the Earth

No scientific proof the earth is moving, sorry.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

If it weren't then the shadow would be on the otherside, moron.

Methshot
Methshot

Ain't that a weird coincidence?
Yup.

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Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Huh?

It's not the earth's shadow you brainlet, you even think it turns the moon red for goodness sake.

Emberburn
Emberburn

It's not the earth's shadow you brainlet,
Then what is it?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Explain pic related then.
Your location on the ball Earth when the moon is entering Earth's shadow.

Light through our atmosphere. Why do you think it is so much dimmer than a regular full moon?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Has to be the moon's own light, although we don't know what the moon actually is.

Your location on the ball Earth when the moon is entering Earth's shadow.

That doesn't make any sense.

Light through our atmosphere. Why do you think it is so much dimmer than a regular full moon?

Kek. You'll believe anything without actual proof.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Has to be the moon's own light, although we don't know what the moon actually is.
So you can't actually explain any of this? The phases of the Moon, lunar eclipses, the polarisation of moonlight, parallax, all completely unexplained.

To summarise, we could take your (non-existent) model which doesn't explain anything or we could accept that the Earth does move and all these things can be explained simply. Hmmm.

Soft_member
Soft_member

That doesn't make any sense.
I'll draw it up for you, give me an hour or so, I need to eat breakfast too.

cum2soon
cum2soon

All we know is the earth and the sun are nowhere near as involved as we have been lead to believe. Much better to have a model that can't explain something than one that tries to and gets it completely wrong.

Go for it.

Snarelure
Snarelure

All we know is the earth and the sun are nowhere near as involved as we have been lead to believe.
And how exactly have you proven that?

Much better to have a model that can't explain something than one that tries to and gets it completely wrong.
And what does it get wrong exactly?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

We just live in the times when the moon is roughly the correct distance away for that to happen.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

And how exactly have you proven that?

The sun is not the source of the moon's light based on its temperature as well as the moon appearing during day time.

And what does it get wrong exactly?

Everything.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

The sun is not the source of the moon's light based on its temperature as well as the moon appearing during day time.
as well as the moon appearing during day time
Do you EVEN consider the fact we are on a fucking ball and the Moon is orbiting us?
It's easy to explain under the globe Earth heliocentric model.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Light doesn't have a temperature. Unless you mean the so called color temperature but that has nothing to do with heat.

farquit
farquit

I used to believe that. It's now absurd to me.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

The sun is not the source of the moon's light based on its temperature as well as the moon appearing during day time.
Light doesn't have a temperature. You would understand that the Moon should appear in the daytime sky if you understood the model.

Everything.
How completely fucking useless. Why don't you try answering the question. Give a real example of something it gets wrong, not bullshit about temperatures.

takes2long
takes2long

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idontknow
idontknow

Ur a fag lol

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

There's a couple important things to remember.
First, not to scale.
Second, the Earth's shadow is bigger than the Moon where the Moon passes through it. This allows for a few different appearances as the Moon enters and exits the shadow depending on where the Moon is in the tilt of its orbit.

The horizontal lines represent the path of the Moon's orbit, top middle circle the Earth's shadow and the bottom the Earth. Remember they would be in line with the Sun normally, this representation works because it is on paper but if you modeled it in 3D you'd have to take account for this.

Anyway, observer is on the North pole to start, Moon's orbit is right to left horizontally. Rotate 90 degrees to the equator and the Moon's orbit looks vertical, top to bottom, the way the Moon appears to enter the shadow has also changed.
Continue rotation, etc.

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hairygrape
hairygrape

Maybe you should start believing again. It seems you actually regressed in intelligence.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

The absolute truth! Nice 9619445 get btw!

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

the chances that the moon and the earth are the same distance apart is astronomically low

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Solar eclipse? Ain't that a weird coincidence?
No. Earth isn’t the only place that has them.

Earth is the only habitable planet that we know of.
Earth is the only planet with intelligent life that we know of.
There’s a chance that other Earth like planets exist in our galaxy.

Earth has an unusually large moon for its size.
Sure

The size of the moon / its distance from earth is weirdly enough perfect so that the moon just covers the sun from time to time. Not too big, not too small.
It actually isn’t perfect. Because of how the moon orbits the earth, you are lucky to see a solar/lunar eclipse twice a year. When there is a solar eclipse, it’s possible to have a partial, annular or total eclipse. Total eclipses are hard to witness unless you are lucky enough to be on the path of the eclipse. Totality doesn’t last all that long either.

The moon is also slowly orbiting away from the earth. Total eclipses will become rarer over time.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

wut?
I'm not sure if this is bait, if i'm a retard, if you're a retard or some combination of three.
Are you trying to say the moon is not the same distance from the earth compared to the distance from earth to the moon ?
As in the distance from A to B is not the same as B to A?

takes2long
takes2long

Earth has an unusually large moon for its size.
Sure
So does Pluto, for that matter.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Can I wait a couple years before giving you an answer to that?
We're going to have a couple more space observatories soon which will be able to get measurements on the atmospheres of some of those exoplanets.
I'd like the planet I choose to at least have a breathable atmosphere.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

One more condition.
No matter what, after the three days my body must be teleported back to Earth, no matter what condition it is in.

So if I die it will be apparent how I died. Suffocation, drowning, freezing, roasting all look different, as does being torn apart and eaten by a creature.
That way even if I don't survive we would learn something about the planet I was sent to.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

His question was rhetorical, you autistic mongoloid.

Spamalot
Spamalot

kek

Bidwell
Bidwell

What is the rotation of the Earth?

massdebater
massdebater

Coriolis effect
Research helps disguise the fact that you are a brainlet

iluvmen
iluvmen

You can't into geometry, can you?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

There's actually a moon of Jupiter that has the same ratio of size to distance from the Sun, so it would make total eclipses if it crosses in plane.

As viewed from... where? The surface of Jupiter?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

you even think it turns the moon red for goodness sake.

Let's see if you are smart enough to figure out why pic related is, in fact, related.

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

With minimal due respect, you decidng to be stupid is not my problem.

Soft_member
Soft_member

It actually isn’t perfect. Because of how the moon orbits the earth, you are lucky to see a solar/lunar eclipse twice a year.

Oh shit. Thanks I didn't know that.

I thought solar eclipses occure every day.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

see the bit he mentions about annular eclipses. The moon can have a fairly wide range of angular sizes due to its eccentricity. Now, assuming we need a significantly-sized moon for higher life forms (which there is some fairly compelling evidence for), then orbital mechanics/densities of material will dictate that the angular size is about that of the moon, up to fluctuation. I would like to think it isn't just a coincidence, but it does seem plausible that it is. This is about the only weird coincidence I can think of which can't be explained in terms of 'we wouldn't be here to notice otherwise'.

whereismyname
whereismyname

see pic related too

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StonedTime
StonedTime

Has to be the moon's own light, although we don't know what the moon actually is.
Don't you see how you're assuming that Earth can't move and that therefore the moon must produce its own light -- this proves nothing because it all rests on your assumption.

iluvmen
iluvmen

"Habitable" means "conditions we evolved under".
Charon is relatively larger.
"Only planet with intelligent life". Some days, I wonder. Usually after reading the newspapers or Veeky Forums.

You yourself noted that the "fit" is only approximate. When the Moon is at its farthest, we one get annular eclipses. I know of at least one time when it was so close that the umbra pinched off in the upper atmosphere. Groundsiders only saw an annular eclipse, but up in the stratosphere where astronomers in a NASA jet were following the track, it was total.

It IS a coincidence that we are around at the right point in time to watch total eclipses. The Moon is gradually receding about an inch a year (easily measurable thanks to the retro-reflectors left by astronauts) and, eventually, there will be no more total eclipses.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Honestly its egotistical fools like you that are the easiest to manipulate, because being decieved and having your ego massaged are one and the same

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Out of the infinite set of habitable planets ours has a moon this size.

iluvmen
iluvmen

apparent retrograde motion, which you can see with your own eyes, prove it does

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

letting your cereal get all soggy with warm milk

not trusting anything this complete fucking RETARD tries to say

Emberburn
Emberburn

Yes, it is a coincidence. The universe is so mind-bogglingly large that eventually something with a “low chance” would happen. But honestly I could point at any planet and find interesting, unlikely phenomena.

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Isn't it possible that the moon's distance from earth and the earths distance from Sun occured so that an eclipse like you described is possible? It's all about ewuillibrium

Soft_member
Soft_member

First, not to scale.

You see, this is the problem. You cannot create an accurate model from the beginning, so any conclusions you draw from the model are automatically flawed. In this case it's not so much the scale (particularly the ridiculously small shadow), but the fact you're trying to draw a 2D model that requires 3D space.

And in doing so, you ironically end up drawing a flat earth. Regardless, no one will be looking at the moon in the manner you describe in your 2D example, you need to prove this in 3D and you won't be able to because it's impossible.

FastChef
FastChef

You mean thousands of cranks have made experiments and then came up with some ass backwards explanation. I wish trolling was bannable offense.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Earth has an unusually large moon for its size.
speculation
speculation
spec
spec speculation

NO IT'S NOT WEIRD

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whereismyname
whereismyname

Out of the infinite set of habitable planets ours has a moon this size.
UMM-- THIS IS AMAZING !
WE HAVE "THIS" SIZE !
my gf says it too

Supergrass
Supergrass

doesn't notice oatmeal hard granola character needs to get soggy
yer bane

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

pleas actually thinking for yourslef will only lead to bad grades and hassles from your peers. just write the answer (((they))) say and be a good social security number and you will get your survival credits. When you find what they are teaching you is self contradictory just go with it and write the answer they say is correct, it helps you be a good mind slave

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

habitable = unusual
intelligent =unusual
moon size = unusual
distance = unusual

you were saying ?

MPmaster
MPmaster

i always enjoy a partially lit moon high in the sky on a sunny day. when i see the rays, sometime i cant help but triangulate.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Sorry religioustard, did someone contradict your heliocentric faith?

Science doesn't care about your feelings.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

If you were placed in front of an uncontacted jungle tribe and forced to live with them for the rest of your life you still wouldn't be able to explain much less prove geocentrism to them you militant atheist cringelord.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

You wouldn't need to explain anything, geocentrism is a self-evident truth.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Have you been to space?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I doubt it exists like you think it does, otherwise we would have actually gone there by now.

Spamalot
Spamalot

It's not my problem if you can't visualize it in 3D

RumChicken
RumChicken

.....This kind of nonsense is a bit better than when the big meme was Thorium I guess...

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Here I have done it to scale for you now.

There is actually a legitimate mistake in the demonstration though. I'm of two minds as to whether to tell you or let you work it out by yourself.
The problem is that intuitively it doesn't seem like a mistake.

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JunkTop
JunkTop

I really fucking hate you /x/ and /pol/ cockroaches

Nojokur
Nojokur

I read a few of your posts and...
How many levels of delusion are you under? Honestly now.
You assume that the earth is the center of the solar system at least. Which doesn't make sense since a geocentric model results in major problems with orbital observation.
You assume we haven't even been to space, which results in a question of what the hell you think the satellites you can see from the ground are. You assume we haven't been to space despite local yokels building rockets capable of reaching suborbital flight using powdered aluminum and ammonium perchlorate as a fuel.
You assume the moon is unusually large and therefore the theia model is wrong (Which makes no sense given the geological data from lunar asteroids and samples we've collected. You assume it's more difficult than it is to escape the earth, which it isn't. And you assume space is something other than a vacuum.

Either you're trolling, or I missed some great dumbing down of Veeky Forums in my 6 year absence...

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

there's a thing called the anthropological principle. A planet where human life couldn't exist is not one we could be talking about. It's like the idea of being the fastest sperm.

If earth didn't have such a large moon it wouldn't just be hard to see at it would be a completely different planet doing a completely different orbit. Life even intelligent life could possibly evolve there for all we know but it wouldn't be as we know it.

probably not though. they would be more asteroids and comments on the planet without the moon there. Probably not a big increase but as the dinosaurs one big astroid is all you need.

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