Sam Harris - Comes out as a Race Realist officially

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

PUBLISHED TODAY, A Neuroscientist and top intellectual joins the Race Realism team. The wave of realists has begun.

samharris.org/ezra-klein-editor-chief/

Human “general intelligence” is a scientifically valid concept.
IQ tests do a pretty good job of measuring it.
A person’s IQ is highly predictive of his/her success in life.
Mean IQ differs across populations (blacks < whites < Asians).
It isn’t known to what degree differences in IQ are genetically determined, but it seems safe to say that genes play a role (and also safe to say that environment does too).

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samharris.org/ezra-klein-editor-chief/
youtube.com/watch?v=WGp06vMPERE
youtube.com/watch?v=Y1lEPQYQk8s
lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/glassessment.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_breeding_in_the_United_States
telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/03/23/grammar-schools-have-virtually-no-effect-genetics-determine/
mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/tan.12165
science.sciencemag.org/content/298/5602/2381.full
equality-of-opportunity.org/documents/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_genome
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12879450/
washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/25/three-quarters-of-whites-dont-have-any-non-white-friends/?utm_term=.3e1870bab15c
nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html
theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/black-students-teachers-implicit-racial-bias-preschool-study
atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/nga/

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Alert, Sam Harris, Neuroscientist has published

Mean IQ differs across populations (blacks < whites < Asians).

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

brave and stunning

girlDog
girlDog

Sam Harris

>>>/reddit/ is that way faggot.

hairygrape
hairygrape

faggot
Why the homophobia?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Sam Harris has a large following and is a neuroscientist. Hence an important figure in bringing balance back to the discussion. If he can say it, more people will be able to.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

white people do not seem smarter to me in general than black people

SniperGod
SniperGod

Maybe you haven't met enough black people

WebTool
WebTool

samharris.org/ezra-klein-editor-chief/
what's the tl;dr?

TechHater
TechHater

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Which upscale New England suburb do you hail from, friend?

farquit
farquit

Comes out as a Race Realist officially

All he did was interview Charles Murray, you lying sack of shit. Or do you have no reading comprehension whatsoever?

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happy_sad
happy_sad

youtube.com/watch?v=WGp06vMPERE

Flameblow
Flameblow

bump

Sam Harris is surprisingly good on the Race and IQ issue.

His podcast with Charles Murray:
youtube.com/watch?v=Y1lEPQYQk8s

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RumChicken
RumChicken

I have always disliked Sam Harris and I refuse to give him clicks even when he is right.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I don't get it, this picture of a community in particular period of its economic development trajectory that all communities go through after exposure to industrialization implies what?

viagrandad
viagrandad

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

This board, is a dangerous and scary place at least for people who don't want to burn in hell for decades.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

it's afraid.jpg

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

This board, is a dangerous and scary place at least for people who don't want to burn in hell for decades.
What do you mean?

Skullbone
Skullbone

classic maga reality denial

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

...a deeply rational and careful scholar who is quite obviously motivated by an ethical concern about inequality in our society.
This is not a person who was in favor of discrimination, whatever the difference in average IQ is across groups.
You know nothing about a person's intelligence on the basis of his or her skin color, that is just a fact.
There is much more variance among individuals in any racial group than there is between groups, so besides being unethical and politically imprudent, it is totally irrational to treat people as anything other than individuals.
-Sam Harris

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

get out of philly

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

decades
are you retarded?

Nojokur
Nojokur

One Asian Communist government/economy overcomes two Capitalist economies/Democratic governments created by White people, carried out by two different races.

Hmmmmmm

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

It isn’t known to what degree differences in IQ are genetically determined, but it seems safe to say that genes play a role (and also safe to say that environment does too).

Literally no biologist will disagree with this statement. This doesn't place you into the camp of being a race realist. Can you /pol/tards not post something that completely contradicts what you're saying in your opening pasta?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

BASED

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w8t4u
w8t4u

Literally no biologist will disagree with this statement.
Plenty do, look at a survey of expert opinion on it

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

No, I just don't respect his intellect. Ezra Klein is a hack too. Why should I care these two are beating each other up? Fuck em.

Methnerd
Methnerd

shitty cop out imo

You can't make the claim that one group is predisposed to one thing and the other to another, and simultaneously that we should treat individuals within these two groups equally. There is this concept called probability you know, you can't just throw that away.

DeathDog
DeathDog

He's saying don't use stuff that we haven't even really gotten into the deep nitty gritty as justification for abuse/discrimination. Since said abuse/assholishness can be used to cause a catch-22 to further entrench disadvantage and disparity as seen in the past. That is underfunded and undersupported something>it's failing>what do we do>it's bound to fail/they aren't worth it>let it fail>something is dysfunctional and fails to perform it's purpose>repeat.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

guess that's why Harris is famous and you are a racist shitposter

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

iq
We should create a /pseudosci/

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Also leads to "Frieza" scenarios where the IDEA of the legendary super saiyan whether he existed, exists or can exist drives one to the point of various negative states of emotion of various intensity that drives one (or governments) to consciously or unconsciously hinder said group even if you clearly are on top of things (which can cause problems to develop in the short or long Term).

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Try living in a place that refuses to fund education because they didn't think it was worth the money to spend on you due to trumped up reasons.

girlDog
girlDog

shitposter has spoken

5mileys
5mileys

What i am trying to get at is that what he believes (the immutable IQ differences between races) is an intellectual framework for the justification of discrimination.

Saying discrimination is bad does you no good when you are an advocate of the framework it's based up on.

TreeEater
TreeEater

hiroshima happens
"let's fix this by denying atoms exist"

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

race is defined by skin color!

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StonedTime
StonedTime

That a Reddit science man is saying this is part of why I’ve been posting threads critical of intelligence supremacism and pointing out the evolutionary advantage of being a retard in certain climates and social contexts. You’ve seen what normalfags did to antiracism. You want to see how they ruin racism? It’s on the way.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

t. Amerimutt who thinks he's white

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

They are. They do far better in school, academically commanding careers and IQ tests

takes2long
takes2long

If differences between individuals are known to be due to environment and genetics , why wouldn't your null hypothesis be that differences between groups are also due to both environment and genetics?

Environmentalists have no answer for this. They want to assert that their dogma , that differences in average Iq between groups are entirely due to environment , should be taken as the null hypothesis when there is 0 reason to do that.

Someone try to justify this to me.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Maybe he comes from Eastern Europe. There's plenty of dumb, aggressive white people here.

StonedTime
StonedTime

He is correct.

Nojokur
Nojokur

T. Never met a black person

farquit
farquit

You absolute bad arse for linking this, cheers user.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

/pol/ tards interpret things in way that confirms thier beliefs
sam harris said a thing and that means niggers should be sytematically murdered
Okay man

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

T. No exposed to enough poor white people.

WebTool
WebTool

sam harris is woke and into sci so we right
climate cahnge is a myth, why believe sci?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

There has never been any scientific evidence for race. Race started with the Spainard when they invaded the native-americans. They made the concept of race up.

There has never been proof for race gene. If one understand the scientific fact, you'll see that words like white race, black race, and native-american race are words that don't make any sense.

Alas, I think if people knew this fact, they'll still continue to go on their ways with racial bias such as marry within their own group or deny a black guy a job.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Trump is The Genius of the Carparkians

Illusionz
Illusionz

it’s as cringey as the idiots who claim geographical superiority, yet don’t even fucking realize humans began in africa. they literally say that that’s a lie and their entire lineage comes from europe.... before they came to america

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Low IQ posts

Ever since humans invented writing they have noticed that people from other places look different from them. As for nigger inferiority, the earliest sources are probably from the arabs, not the spaniards.

Of course there is no race gene. There are practically no phenotypical traits which are expressed due to only one gene. But there are thousands of genes which appear in certain proportions in some races and not in others. And by identifying these genes you can determine a person's racial makeup down to small percentages. That's how 23andme works.

We all evolved from apes too, does that mean that other apes are as smart as humans? Heck why stop there, we all evolved from single cell organisms: I guess we should practice affirmative action so that more bacteria are CEOs of fortune 500 companies.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Ever since humans invented writing they have noticed that people from other places look different from them. As for nigger inferiority, the earliest sources are probably from the arabs, not the spaniards

Not really, the Romans and Greeks traded with Ethiopia(then called Axum). The Axumites even invaded the Arab peninsula. The Axumites were a large civilization and one of the first nations to become Christian when King Ezana converted around 300AD. Proto-arabs were just tribalistic niggers, I can't imagine them thinking "we be more advance n shiet den da axumites."

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Axumites were also proto-arabs. Their homeland was in yemen.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Nope, Axumites came from Dmt. They traded with the Sabeans but didn't come from them. And genetically there is an isolated East African gene that every Ethiopian has, neither nilotic nor arab. Nice try though.

FastChef
FastChef

From a statistical perspective, that's not easy to test, and likely won't offer results with that null

iluvmen
iluvmen

What you don't get is that nobody denies that there are regional differences in IQ, it is that the differences within any arbitrary group (be it nation, race, religious group or any other form of identity) is much bigger than the difference between these groups. Take for example "whites". If you take all "whites", and compare them with all "blacks", the whites will perform better on average. However, if you look closer into the group of whites, you will se that the variety within that group is even bigger, than between blacks and whites. For example, Serbs have an IQ of 89, while Swedes have an IQ of 105. Thats a solid 16 IQ difference between white peoples. Meanwhile the difference between blacks and whites is 97 IQ points for whites, and 90 IQ points for blacks. So only a difference of 7 IQ points. Now you can also again divide one single group of whites into more groups. Germans overall have an average IQ of 102. However, eastern germans are at 96, while Bavarians are at 99, and citizens from the city-state of Hamburg are at 105. So even within one single group of whites, the variety is 9, bigger than between blacks and whites. Now you can go even further, and single out different groups for example in Hamburg. One neighbourhood will do better, than the other. And now you can go one step further, and watch at the individual level, and you will see that within one very high-performing neighbourhood, there can still be single brainlets.

Point is, average IQs simply don't mean that much. The correlation to economic success is only there because of Africa. If you take that out of the dataset, there is no correlation at all. Koreans perform much better on IQ tests, than greeks, but they have similar economic success. Sweden, the country with the highest average IQ in europe, is not the one with the highest performing economy. Serbia, the country with the lowest average IQ in europe, is not the one with the worst economic performance.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

huh?

Methshot
Methshot

Not that fellow but from what I can infer the thrust of their post is "There is more variation within a single racial group than between any two racial groups"
eg. white to blacks vs. swedes to serbs

Emberfire
Emberfire

That's not true at all.
Black people have obvious issues with thinking.

I'd agree with you if you were comparing Whites and Latinos, or if you were comparing Whites and Muslims, but it's obvious that black people are, on average, on a lower mental level than any other race.

WebTool
WebTool

The black IQ is between 65-70, not 90. If you're going to use Lynn's low estimates for Balkan countries it's only fair you use Lynn's estimates for black IQ

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

But it's known that Lynn specifically low-balled black countries exclusively.

TechHater
TechHater

Me neither, I don't understand why everyone thinks this

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

There are very obvious environmental factors for IQ development in Africa. Blacks that are raised in developed nations perform around 90 on IQ tests.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Blacks that are roughly a 1/4 European perform at around 85 on IQ tests
Blacks from Africa perform at 75

I don't like this "One drop = black" mentality.
Blacks in America are obviously multi-racial.

Nojokur
Nojokur

The reason for the IQ discrepancy you named in germany is that highly educated people (education of course correlating with IQ) leave eastern germany to make more money in the west and in the cities and therefor doesnt really have anything to do with regional genetics

90 IQ points for blacks seems rather high too considering from what I know american blacks have an average IQ of 85 and those had some level of mixing done

IQ definitely correletes to success on the individual level so one should assume it would on the national level too.
The reason it isnt showing clearly is because there are too many factors to consider

Illusionz
Illusionz

IQ is different among races

IQ is a predictor of success in life

Your cause and effect are flipped

RACIST WHITES BENEFIT FROM A RACIST SYSTEM

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

You need to go to Houston and talk to the Black people over there.

Their hands are slow, and their brains are too.

It's ALMOST mental retardation.
I have a mother that's 30% black, and she can't hold information in her head like me and my father. She's very insightful and intelligent because she's a human being, but she can't keep up when it comes to finer jokes that require thought, etc, and she tends to interpret things very literally.

She's slower, but she's not stupid, and I can easily see how someone would attribute this to "no difference" if they had a bias toward seeing the world in one way.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I'm not talking about blacks in the US. Great Britain and France have large black communities, too. Blacks in the UK score around 90 on IQ tests:

lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/glassessment.pdf

(see table 4, those are CAT scores, so IQ scores would be 2-4 points lower)

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Says the negro

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

The negro

I'll have you know I am a pure European.

28% is negligible

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King_Martha
King_Martha

In the US black and white populations aren't very integrated, and the blacks who are integrated into non-black areas seem to act differently that the blacks who live in majority black cities/states. Also, there seems to be this thing in the black community that looks down on or tries to shame blacks who have integrated well, or been successful.

girlDog
girlDog

lynn wuz raycis n sheeit.
Ok.

There are also obvious development factors in the Balkans.

happy_sad
happy_sad

There are no diseases and famines that hinder the brain development of children. So no, there aren't.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Yes, they had this little thing called a civil war in the 90s... and they still outscore black americans who are 20% west european...

askme
askme

There were no famines and diseases during the war.

idontknow
idontknow

There was certainly malnutrition and psychological trauma, not talk about disrupted education. Do african americans suffer from starvation and disease?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Sam got baited by a slimy slippery troll:

1) Vox under Ezra publishes cleverly disguised smear article.

2) Sam says, ok let's talk about this, and stop calling me a racist or race realist please, that's just libellous.

3) Ezra changes some of the article, tweets that Harris is dangerous and Murray a racist

4) (this is basicly where the emails start)

Ezra: "yeah totally let's talk, fairness and communication are great!"

Sam: "Ok, you dishonest slut, I see what you're doin. I'm not gonna talk to you if you don't admit that article and your tweets are shitty. You'll just use the time to dodge questions again and politely incinuate for 2 hours that I'm a racist and a nazi for brownie points. Admit your shittery first, so we can actually talk honestly."

Ezra: "Oh my, why you mad? Let's just talk!"

Sam: "Fuck off".

Ezra is putting on a coy smile & playing dumb, while he gets his deputy editors to do the dirty work of slandering Sam as a pseudoscientific racialist.

Stop tryin to get you's by lying my dude, he says like thirty times that he doesn't want to even be associated with this race realist shit. Stop being desperate.

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Playboyize
Playboyize

African americans were bred by slaveholders for 300 years. They are not a normal african population. If you want to talk about africans IQ, you need to look at the actual africans.

Methshot
Methshot

African americans were bred by slaveholders for 300 years.
[Citation needed]

They weren't selectively bred like dogs, that's a complete fantasy.

look at the actual africans
They're way worse than african americans.

Methnerd
Methnerd

but it doesn't explain why success is frowned upon.

They should all be capable of it, but they're not. It's the fox and the grapes.

No one wants to be poor.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

You're right they weren't selectively bred, but they were raped.

Snarelure
Snarelure

They're way worse than african americans.

see

All the Blacks in the UK came only after the war, they have virtually zero white admixture. They are "pure" blacks.

Emberburn
Emberburn

They weren't selectively bred like dogs, that's a complete fantasy.

see

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_breeding_in_the_United_States

Emberfire
Emberfire

White admixture increased their IQ

Evilember
Evilember

They are pure blacks, but they are blacks that are the smartest in all of Africa.

They learned that a better life awaited them in a first world nation. They engineered a plan to escape from Africa, and they successfully executed that plan and attained citizenship in the UK.

They're very intelligent.
Black immigrants that came from hell are the smartest black people you'll ever meet.

SniperGod
SniperGod

..Merkel? That you?

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Sam Harris rules.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Hispanic

Emberfire
Emberfire

Sam lashes out at Trump for how he handles media. Could learn a thing or two.

The best defense is a good ?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

he thinks these tests actually work

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

So the alt right thinks hes "thier guy" now despite all the times they have called him a moron. Cool.

cum2soon
cum2soon

They weren't selectively bred like dogs, I live in a complete fantasy land.
Fixed

Inmate
Inmate

telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/03/23/grammar-schools-have-virtually-no-effect-genetics-determine/

school choice has less than 1% of impact on exam results
libtards on suicide watch

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Also, there seems to be this thing in the black community that looks down on or tries to shame blacks who have integrated well, or been successful.

People misinterpret that hard and don't understand the historical context (or see some cases where it is justifued). Watch him that kith episode about hank and his football issue with his ankle and you'll see what I am talking about.

RumChicken
RumChicken

This is sp obvious but that fact it nerds to be pointed out is sad for Veeky Forums

TechHater
TechHater

The differences and gaps are staying the same regardless of social programs or time passing. Not to mention black countries themselves.

The genetic gap can't be solved without genetic solutions.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Black African Iq is growing user. Why do people think that development and gains in human capital some how doesn't effect africans despite it taking hold in every single other continent that experienced industrialisation.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

The gap is shrinking and hell it will get close to the baseline overtime that the gap is basically negligible as development increases. Not all nations will be the same so there maybe ones that are under/over of a few above it. If South Korea developed over 50+years into one of the top scores I wouldn't be surprised if some higher tier African nation becomes close to it in exceptional scoring.

Education in Africa has made big jumps and improvements over the years and even though there is a long way to go to match western standards.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

post the study and age of test, also what is the norm? Are white IQ / Asian IQ 100+?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

The isdue with these discussions and developing nations is that they always assume a "it was always like this" and ignore a lot of stuff in history about how each state formed and developed. Alongside that there's a fuckton of assumptions and projections peopke do here like some people in other threads saying that "africans don't take to education" despite schools being extremely overcrowded or families facing starvation to keep kids in school or ignoring how much progress and the length of time it took for east asian nations (and states like Portugal) to develop it's education and human capital.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

china is communist still

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farquit
farquit

white IQ / Asian IQ 100+?

No it varies. Why the fuck is this even a question.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

length of time it took east asian nations

You mean the multiple "miracle economies"?

Chinese growth, Japanese growth, and S. Korean all had very rapid economic growth periods of which China is still doing so.

The "Growth" in Africa is pretty much entirely exporting of goods usually with foreign entities doing the actual work.

cum2soon
cum2soon

I mean in the results of black IQ approaching higher, is white IQ above 100? Meaning the norm has shifted lower.

Bidwell
Bidwell

How many of you autistic morons believe that spamming threads on Veeky Forums is going to change anything? It's not going to change the fact that none of you understand genetics.

DeathDog
DeathDog

t.mutt

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I hate that these kinds of threads always attracts nigger who cite cherry picked statistics and have no idea what they're talking about.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

communism is european, brainlet.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

How many of you autistic morons believe that spamming threads on Veeky Forums is going to change anything?
Eh. I want to redpill 1000 kids with IQs over 140. I figure they can cause plenty of chaos in the future.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

No one from /pol/ even has an IQ over 100. That's why you fall for all this propaganda. You really think you're going to fool people that are smarter than you?

whereismyname
whereismyname

mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

Let us farm in peace, soyboy.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Ignoring the first clause, yes, I unironically think I have convinced people smarter than me of many things.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

It is true that race is a social construct. It is also true, as Dr. Lewontin wrote, that human populations “are remarkably similar to each other” from a genetic point of view.

Lunatick
Lunatick

It is true that race is a social construct
Electrons are a social construct. Who gives a fuck?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

No they aren't. They would exist with our or without people.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Hey guys, chairs are a social construct so you should turn them over and sit on the legs.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Measuring height is a social construct. We could easily measure from toes to end of the fingertips or other things and get different results.

Height is imaginary and not real.

- t. soyboy lysenkoist

King_Martha
King_Martha

So would races. Phenotypes are objective things. I don't will a black person's skull shape and melatonin levels. Electrons are just as much as a social construct as races. So are

Spamalot
Spamalot

What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. They use the reluctance of the academic community to openly discuss these fraught issues to provide rhetorical cover for hateful ideas and old racist canards.
This is why knowledgeable scientists must speak out. If we abstain [...] we leave a vacuum that gets filled by pseudoscience, an outcome that is far worse than anything we could achieve by talking openly.

If scientists can be confident of anything, it is that whatever we currently believe about the genetic nature of differences among populations is most likely wrong. For example, my laboratory discovered in 2016, based on our sequencing of ancient human genomes, that “whites” are not derived from a population that existed from time immemorial, as some people believe. Instead, “whites” represent a mixture of four ancient populations that lived 10,000 years ago and were each as different from one another as Europeans and East Asians are today.

How do we accommodate the biological differences between men and women? I think the answer is obvious: We should both recognize that genetic differences between males and females exist and we should accord each sex the same freedoms and opportunities regardless of those differences.
It is clear from the inequities that persist between women and men in our society that fulfilling these aspirations in practice is a challenge. Yet conceptually it is straightforward. And if this is the case with men and women, then it is surely the case with whatever differences we may find among human populations, the great majority of which will be far less profound.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Exactly.

viagrandad
viagrandad

To get published in the times he had to throw some of his coworkers under the bus.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

To understand why it is so dangerous for geneticists and anthropologists to simply repeat the old consensus about human population differences, consider what kinds of voices are filling the void that our silence is creating. Nicholas Wade, a longtime science journalist for The New York Times, rightly notes in his 2014 book, “A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History,” that modern research is challenging our thinking about the nature of human population differences. But he goes on to make the unfounded and irresponsible claim that this research is suggesting that genetic factors explain traditional stereotypes.

One of Mr. Wade’s key sources, for example, is the anthropologist Henry Harpending, who has asserted that people of sub-Saharan African ancestry have no propensity to work when they don’t have to because, he claims, they did not go through the type of natural selection for hard work in the last thousands of years that some Eurasians did. There is simply no scientific evidence to support this statement. Indeed, as 139 geneticists (including myself) pointed out in a letter to The New York Times about Mr. Wade’s book, there is no genetic evidence to back up any of the racist stereotypes he promotes.

I'll give you the TLDR off this article since none of you can read. There are very small measurable genetic differences between populations. Those differences may explain a very small part of the gap in traits between races, but not all of it. They do not justify racist stereotypes and do not imply that all differences between race are due to genetics.

Bidwell
Bidwell

This debate is getting sterile. Anyways, we'll see who's right in the coming decades. If blacks worldwide and especially in Africa start closing the gap with the rest of the world, then I'll happily concede that I was wrong.

However, if blacks continue destroying everything they touch, and if Europe continues declining due to having to support an ever increasing low IQ population, then I hope you will all have the common sense to put aside your ideological differences to fight the negro menace. Preserving civilization is more important than "diversity".

iluvmen
iluvmen

People from the middle east are PIE peoples and are far more genetically related to Europeans than Africans.

Inmate
Inmate

They do not justify racist stereotypes
Do they justify other stereotypes? Is this just a coincidence that genes can tell us lots of things, just nothing that might be racist? Funny how that works out. It is almost like they start with their conclusion and argue around it.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Arguing that no substantial differences among human populations are possible will only invite the racist misuse of genetics that we wish to avoid.

But as a geneticist I also know that it is simply no longer possible to ignore average genetic differences among “races.”

- David Reich, Tenured Harvard Geneticist

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Ok I'll give you an example. Let's say the old flawed IQ tests are accurate and the average black IQ is 85 while white is 100. Genetics only explains a small fraction of that 15 point gap, not all of it.

Techpill
Techpill

What % of IQ is considered heritable?
Do you have some info it's small?

The accepted norm in psychology after huge amounts of study is 50-80% heritable.

WE already can predict 7% of variation with just genetic prediction tests and that is EARLY results.

Methshot
Methshot

I don't think anyone is arguing there is zero genetic differences between races expect popular media. People who understand the subject realize the differences are not substantial, and do not equate to racial stereotypes.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/tan.12165

TreeEater
TreeEater

Genetics only explains a small fraction of that 15 point gap, not all of it.
Currently or ever?
My understanding is that the research is rather new an that already some of the IQ gap is being explained by genetics. So, your phrasing isn't accurate. It isn't that genes only explain a fraction of the difference. It is that we know that genes explain at least some fraction of the difference.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Do they justify other stereotypes?
Not really. What other ones did you have in mind? A biological taste for fried chicken and watermelon?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

People who understand the subject realize the differences are not substantial, and do not equate to racial stereotypes.
How could they possibly know that?

Snarelure
Snarelure

linking a lysenkoist argument

top kek

Skullbone
Skullbone

Like black people are more likely to be 100m sprinters.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Genetics only explains a small fraction of that 15 point gap
It explains 80% of it, as per heritability studies.

Flameblow
Flameblow

How heritable a trait is does not imply differences in trait percents between populations are due to heritability. This seems to be the most difficult concept to explain to you imbeciles.

There are no 'early' results. We've been doing GWAS for years to try to find SNPs that correlate to intelligence, and we've found a very large number that explains a small percent. Any two random people in the world will only differ from one another by about 3,000-4,000 SNPs, and we can account for the majority of those. The idea that blacks and whites have different SNP frequencies on the order of hundreds or thousands of genes that we simply aren't detecting is outside the realm of possibility.

Also, if races really differ in genetic contributions of intelligence that much, we would have found those genes 10 years ago due to the statistical power of genetics now.

SniperGod
SniperGod

How heritable a trait is does not imply differences in trait percents between populations are due to heritability.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I love how lysenkoists act like the subject is earnestly studied and explored.

we would have found all of these race differences and they would be scientific dogma if true
no one should ever do this research, what a fucking racist for asking for funding to do it.

You can't on one hand cite lack of scientific agreement on a subject while at the same time understand such study is censored.

You are being dishonest in your arguments when you cite the lack of overwhelming evidence and GWAS studies, when such studies are effectively banned.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

"Black" people are because there are genetic advantages in a select few African populations.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

That's true, but I suppose the burden of proof is on you to expose the environmental factor which uniformily affects every single black and lowers their IQ by a standard deviation.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

No studies are banned. They just don't produce the results you want.

Let's try to divide the world into races based solely on genetic similarity and difference.

science.sciencemag.org/content/298/5602/2381.full

Guess what? It doesn't produce traditional ideas of race.

If studies are "banned" then how did Reich do his? Is there a coverup, or is there scientific evidence of racism? It can't be both.

TechHater
TechHater

Yeah I'm pretty sure the majority black cities should be outliers if it's just white patriarchy keeping them down. It's odd it's so uniform across continents, countries, and regions.

IT's odd the asians in America didn't get suck in the same trap and somehow magically got high IQs.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

That's true, but I suppose the burden of proof is on you to expose the environmental factor which uniformily affects every single black and lowers their IQ by a standard deviation.
There's so many..... So so many....
Let's start with lead, poverty, and worse education.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

but I suppose the burden of proof is on you
kek

FastChef
FastChef

no studies are banned
You are absolutely dishonest scum.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Lol

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I know they've got a large margin for error, but they're better than nothing, and it's actually highly accurate from what I know of my immediate ancestry.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Those are just buzzwords.
poverty and education

Black children born in rich educated families perform worse than white children born in middle class families. How do you explain that? (Hint: it's due to regression to the mean)

It is. Why should the null hypothesis be the absolute equality of the races? That is nonsensical. Equality does not exist in nature, it's a social construct.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

There's no reason to debate you when it's simple to anyone of reasonable intelligence. Such subjects are absolutely taboo for research and study and everyone knows it.

When in the face of someone who denies such a thing occurring it's pointless to debate. I can just call you dishonest scum and people will understand.

Even the proponents of lysenkoist will say in public and in writing that they don't approve of such study and it should not be done. They don't hide it. By taking the dishonest route you just prove yourself a moron.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

It is. Why should the null hypothesis be the absolute equality of the races? That is nonsensical. Equality does not exist in nature, it's a social construct.
Because those assumptions would defy what we already know about human genetics that has been studied since the 60s.

We have been able to measure the genetic variation and how it's distributed in humans for decades. The assumption that somehow all that data is wrong and a trait that might have 2,000 genetics associated with it is somehow several times more clustered than all data we observe now flies in the face of everything we know.

As I already said, any two random people will only differ by about 3,000 SNPs. Most of those are concentrated in the immune system. That makes evolutionary sense.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

How do you explain that?
Very carefully. Some good papers here:
equality-of-opportunity.org/documents/

Lunatick
Lunatick

3,000
wrong

Also how many of those are in common with a banana or chimp? Most of it is just carefully conserved or literally useless noise

reference en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_genome
for how much is useless. Those 20,000+ SNP differences account for a huge amount of variation.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

If all of what you say is true, why do black people have denser bones on average than all other races?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

That is the SNP total amount for humans. Any two random humans share the majority of their SNPs.

If you care so much about genetics, why not actually learn it?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Your post reeks of Lewontin's fallacy.

Because those assumptions would defy what we already know about human genetics that has been studied since the 60s.
We have been able to measure the genetic variation and how it's distributed in humans for decades.

You do know that the human genome was only decoded in the early 2000s right? And serious study only started in the late 2000s. It's only been at most a decade, without an 's'.

And what is this conventional wisdom from the 60s you talk about? The wisdom of such luminaries as Franz Boas and Margaret Mead?

The rest of your post is rehashing of Lewontin's fallacy. You know, if an argument has actually given its name to a fallacy, you can be sure it's wrong. Just sayin.

King_Martha
King_Martha

No, no, no, you can't weasel out by quoting lenghty article. I want to hear your own arguments.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Why so virulently opposed to reality?

Once we identify the problem it will be easy to fix with PGDw/IVF or genetic engineering. Soon blacks could have decent genetics, but evil people want to keep them (avg) stupid and violent.

farquit
farquit

Lewontin's fallacy is not a real thing. It's just a buzzword you're trained to parrot over and over like "global warming isn't real."

We were able to measure genetic variation starting the in the 60s. The entire human genome was only sequenced in the early 2000s. Those are two different things.

happy_sad
happy_sad

That is still decades or centuries away. You cannot simply edit the genome because you can read it.

cum2soon
cum2soon

The scientific papers help to explain it. My own arguments would be summerizing the papers, which could be a paper in of itself. It's too much. People spend years trying to understand these issues.

I could go into personal experience, which I have a good deal of. I spent a while living with a poor black family.

takes2long
takes2long

We are doing it right now in America, PGDw/IVF is used currently. We already have valid functions that predict EDUYEARS and Intelligence off of a Polygenetic score.

It's possible now and with the exponential growth in genomics we will have really good functions in 12-18 months.

IF you want to really help blacks the best way is to begin pushing for IVF clinics to expand and open The great thing is it would be a benefit to all of society.

Instead you will scream how it's not true and rich people will have the only access because genetics are "icky" .

Bidwell
Bidwell

Lewontin's fallacy is not a real thing
Okay. I can't argue with fanatics. It's funny but you're the one akin to a global warming denier. In fact you're even worse: you're a creationist.

and on the 6th day God created all human races exactly equal in cognitive capabilities!

likme
likme

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/tan.12165

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Let me do a quick little rundown for the low IQ libtard in the thread. Even though he is better off not existing.

1. No genetic differences.
- Genomics technologies will allow rich to improve genetics even widening the gap more. The general hatred of genomics and refusal to view it as needed will result in even bigger gap.

Even on the case there is or isn't a genomic difference, the fact scientists have held up research into this and have stopped largescale genetic sequencing of black populations out of fear will also hold them back more. As the predictive functions only exist for white europeans at the moment.

In any case you're bleeding heart idiocy does nothing functionally good for blacks. Such lysenkoist refusal to believe reality or search for truth ALWAYS ends up worse than truthful honesty.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I have an emotional bias that blurs reality

I don't know what to tell you.

My father is white, and I'm mixed-raced, and my father is smarter than me, and I'm smarter than my sister (and men have an average of 6 IQ points over women).

That's just life.

I meet black people in real life, and they have issues grabbing pens quickly and fluidly.

It's mental slowness. It takes all of their processing power to grab something. Imagine trying to think.

hairygrape
hairygrape

No, you just have no arguments. Posting articles and telling people to read them is a shitty cop out, since you know perfectly well I don't have the time or patience to read them.

And anyways, I just checked and they seem to be Raj Chetty papers. You do know that Raj Chetty does not study these problems, right? He's interested in social mobility.

So not only did you try to "win" the argument by flooding me with references, the articles you linked to are irrelevant to boot.

Techpill
Techpill

God, I hate arguing with niggers....

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12879450/

TreeEater
TreeEater

Edwards never said Lewontin's data was wrong, just that race was "something else." He never published any evidence for what that was, though.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

GIST

- The liberal retards so hellbent on lying and saying things like "healthy at every weight" on the subject of race are doing nothing positive.

- The people that want to know the truth and explore it are doing the good thing. Largescale genetic studies of black people with regards to complex genomic traits can only help them. Regardless of what is finds.

- If you deny reality, fine, then societies and races that do it will only gain advancement over them.

The lysenkoists and goldberg "masters of the universe" have led us down a dark path and it's time to correct it with truthfulness in the face of hard truths.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It sounds like you literally have confirmation bias lol

you know perfectly well I don't have the time or patience to read them.
So you'll never learn I guess. The first paper is not Chetty and that one alone is very revealing. Just read that one.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I'm

and I agree.
Black people are in a miserable industrial hell because people are treating them like they're their equals.

They should be aided by the government in finding employment because they're black, but such a thought is immediately dismissed as racist and hateful, and it's actually very damaging toward black communities.

I'd rather live in a racist society that helps its citizens than live in a "equal" society that hurts its citizens.

Snarelure
Snarelure

The first paper is not Chetty and that one alone is very revealing
Authors of the first paper:
Raj Chetty, Nathaniel Hendren, Maggie R. Jones, and Sonya R. Porter

Your niggerness is showing.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Black mom that has been called a nigger before
You have every reason to be racist

I actually don't.
I'm just accepting reality.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Race denialists
retarded /pol/fags
Why do people have trouble taking the enlightened stance acknowledging racial differences in IQ while also believing it doesn't matter because holding back individuals because of their peers is retarded?
We already have evidence how stupid it is with the America education system/no child left behind.
But /pol/tards seem to want to double, triple down on it except make it race based.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

The beatings will continue until morale improves

That's basically the state of things right now. Lysenkoism was a great evil and it is continuing in the west now.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Edwards never said Lewontin's data was wrong
Right, because his data is not wrong. There is indeed more variance within the races than between them. It was the interpretation which was fallacious, i.e. that it "proves" that race doesn't exist. Edwards shows that this is not true because the genetic information is hidden in the correlation structures of the alleles.

In other words, this is as if Lewontin said "the earth is flat, because the horizon is flat" and Edwards responding "it is not that the horizon is flat, it is that the earth is so large its curvature is very small which makes the horizon appear flat". But Lewontin would be still be right in that the horizon does appear flat.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

google Lysenkoism

ANYTHING I DONT LIKE IS COMMUNISM!
typical /pol/

RumChicken
RumChicken

Why do people have trouble taking the enlightened stance acknowledging racial differences in IQ while also believing it doesn't matter because holding back individuals because of their peers is retarded?
That would be considered a /pol/ stance.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Oops. Oh well. Look up how blacks are disproportionately punished from Pre-K through adulthood. Look up implicit bias and it's consequences. All black deal with some real shit man, that's just the way it is. Look up redlining, look up the war on drugs, idk why I have to do this.

TechHater
TechHater

being so much of a brainlet you've never heard of lysenkoism

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

history is a great teacher. It's a great shame it has such poor students like yourself.

FastChef
FastChef

why would you want to integrate with low IQ violent populations? There is a reason every strata of society segregates itself, white poor from white rich as well.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

No it isn't. Pol-fags use race-realism to back up pseudointellectual bullshit like ethnostates

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

interesting that such science was banned even before /pol/

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

yeah right dumb fuck

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Look up how blacks are disproportionately punished from Pre-K through adulthood
They're not disproportionately punished, they're punished proportionately to the amount of disturbances they cause.

implicit bias
Literally astrology tier. I love how the rebuttal to cokd, hard statistical studies are wishy washy marxist inspired sociological theories with no experimental data to support them whatsoever.

redlining, war on drugs
Wow, I've never heard those arguments before.

Yeah, I'm sure redlining 70 years ago is the reason why rich blacks score worse on the SATs than middle class whites. Retard.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

what's your argument? that race realism wasn't accepted 90 years ago?

Nojokur
Nojokur

Looks like someone is triggered... anyways /pol/ is not one person, you faggot nigger.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

That the original hatred of genetics and biology in intellectual circles is more because of ideological bias. The excuses for why usually just find useful scapegoats.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Ah, so you can eliminate the whole race thing. Yes, procreate with a nice smart girl. Don't rule out the black ones. It doesn't matter as long as your IQ is high.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I think they are disproportionately punished though even though they do have a greater incidence of acting-out.

Racial bias is a very real thing, and you don't understand it until you interact with races that aren't your own.

washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/25/three-quarters-of-whites-dont-have-any-non-white-friends/?utm_term=.3e1870bab15c

I think it works both ways though.

In men, it's indifference, so it's very subtle.

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Regression to the mean.

Lunatick
Lunatick

See, you didn't look up shit. Fuck you.

They're not disproportionately punished, they're punished proportionately to the amount of disturbances they cause.
Look. It. Up.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Most blacks that escape poverty and enter the middle class unlike most demographics stay rather then move due to a variety of reasons such as redlining in the past and discriminatory mortgage lending policies, wanting to stay to retain ones friends, living near family etc.

So even if ones income goes up they still have the utilities and schools of poorer folk in many cases. It's pretty interesting to read about.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

The Trump Concentration camps are in full swing now.

Perhaps the predictions of genocides and next hitlers should be examined carefully instead of held onto as dogmatic truths.

Especially when holding back important areas of scientific research and understanding.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Wow a washpo article, I'm convinced.

I ask you for quantitative data and you give me articles from newspapers. Really shows the strength of your position.

MPmaster
MPmaster

I thought IQ was so fucking genetic. That makes no sense. Regression to the mean would indicate societal issues against blacks.

girlDog
girlDog

Race can be construed out if any criteria honestly. The point is that race doesn't really have the rigor that using genetics does.

farquit
farquit

Inb4 le jew york times
nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html

viagrandad
viagrandad

I know crime rates, niggers are basically evolved niglets, so I'm guessing niglets are as bad when they're in school as nogs are when they're out of school.

But I'm specifically talking about the top 10% richest blacks, not middle class blacks.

5mileys
5mileys

See
And this
theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/black-students-teachers-implicit-racial-bias-preschool-study

takes2long
takes2long

Regression to the mean is due to genetics you stupid nigger. Sheesh!

Not really, you can't create racial categories based on height for example, that would make no sense.

I ask him to stop posting newspaper articles
he responds by posting a newspaper article.

w8t4u
w8t4u

I'm not even that guy.
I'm just aware that human beings naturally belong in MONORACIAL hunter-gatherer tribes.

If you don't think in group and out group preferences played a role in human survival, you're absolutely wrong.

Inmate
Inmate

Heavier bones big woop and the study only targeted black Americans. Many asian ethnic groups have "rice" earwax

idontknow
idontknow

So washpo, nyt and the guardian. All you need now is to post articles from buzzfeed, the atlantic and salon.com and we'll be set!

likme
likme

Genomics in general especially when it comes to humans, intelligence, behavior, etc is extremely underfunded and held back regardless by people afraid of the results.

The lysenkoism is not narrow.

Compared to benefit of the field it is unbelievably under-served and under-funded. The pushback is there even if you look for IQ differences among a population or race.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I ask him to stop posting newspaper articles
he responds by posting a newspaper article.
I also REFUSE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT CHALLENGES MY WORLDVIEW

The article discusses a study that they link to. Dear God you're retarded.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Don't forget the dailymail

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Why don't you link to the article directly in that case? Or even better, post the main arguments of the article. Is it because you lack the brainpower?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Bone deep developmental difference
Big woop

I should've eaten more spinach, and I'd have a faster rate of muscle growth today.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

The "Growth" in Africa is pretty much entirely exporting of goods usually with foreign entities doing the actual work.

And they are diversifing their economies on top of many tech sectors being developed across the continent and entrepreneurs starting up.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

hahahhahah

Snarelure
Snarelure

Regression to the mean is due to genetics you stupid nigger. Sheesh!

Do you understand what that even means? Try again.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Yep, you got me. Guess you don't have to read the studies now.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Do you? Stupid nigger.

Emberburn
Emberburn

atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/nga/

Firespawn
Firespawn

Google it.
There's a lot of interesting startups on the continent.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Not really interested in cherrypicked articles. When it becomes a blip on their economy I'll care.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Well, it's not my fault you're so much of a brainlet you can't even summarize them.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

The only thing growing in africa right now is its population. I read somewhere a few days ago that to avoid starvation Africa will have to quintuple its agricultural production by the end of the century.

I think we all know what's going to happen.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

so just like Other oil states around the world. Also why ONLY use Nigeria?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

This is another thing.
If we could all collectively agree that black people are unevolved, we could stop shit like this from happening in the first place.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

If a man is 200 IQ and his wife is 210 their kid won't be 205 or 230 but he'll be like 140. He's lower then them but he still is way above the average and this isn't factoring in the potential kid being a freak of nature like his parents.

In your example the mixed race kid that is the offspring of two PhD's/high educational attainment parents won't regress to the mixed race or black means but that he will most likely be equal or sightly worse then his dad in economics or his Harvard prof statistics mom. Freaks beget freaks that are not as freaky but still freaks nonetheless.

Booteefool
Booteefool

they will increase their production, but most of it will go to China

King_Martha
King_Martha

So what you are saying is IQ is genetic until it means intelligent black people should be treated equal, then IQ is magical and not genetic and 120+ IQ blacks breeding together will eventually "regress to the mean" of 85?
But then how did humans evolve intelligence begin with? Why didn't we regress to the mean to stay dumb apes?

Spamalot
Spamalot

Not exactly although China being a place to export to is not that uncommon. Interstate trade will open up over the years as more infrastructure and changes are made. Of course increased production means more room to grow more profitable cash crops.

Snarelure
Snarelure

most bears will attack you but that doesn't mean you just kill every one you see on sight. At least see what kind of person they are first before you treat them differently. It's not like they are incapable of being intelligent, just more of them are stupid.

eGremlin
eGremlin

If you reintroduced living in tribes that are constantly on a knife-edge of being eaten or starving, and have to compete mercilessly with other tribes, then that freak gene would slighty improve one tribe's chances over tens of generations by elevating the mean of the tribe by a few fractions of a percent. And make that change permanent for that population.
But that doesn't apply to a few generations, there the freakish spike in a trait would regress towards the mean pretty fast.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Yao Ming (Chinese: 姚明; born September 12, 1980) is a Chinese former professional basketball player who played for the Shanghai Sharks of the Chinese Basketball Association (CBA) and the Houston Rockets of the National Basketball Association (NBA). At the time of his final season, he was the tallest active player in the NBA, at 2.29 m (7 ft 6 in).
Yao is the only child of 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) Yao Zhiyuan and 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Fang Fengdi,[6] both of whom were former professional basketball players.

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

WTF have you ever been to africa or any US town above 500k?

It MAY not be a biological thing based on race but a social thing based on race (which means they could have the same potential). But either way there's no way of both groups beeing on the same intelligence level right now.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Never heard of Lysenkoism.
Libtard

Why I'm not surprised.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Just curious user.
What's the endgame?
Like suppose tomorrow you win the battle. All of Veeky Forums agrees that IQ is everything and that racial IQ is stratified.
What will be your next move?

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