What happened to aesthetics in the West after WWII? Art, literature, architecture, you name it, it all turned to shit after the war. The only exception might be music. But postwar music (rock, r&b, rap) is mostly derivative of older folk music. Postwar music is also more libidinal than aesthetic.
So wtf happened?
>inb4 postmodernism
Pomo is pastiche and proves my general point
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Postmodernism. Computers and technology causing things like helvetica to completely shift the platform of marketing. Simplification of everything stems from it.
Just deal with it.
You are too pleb to understand
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What "aesthetics" means in literature and music?
>helvetica
what?
Because the whole West thing was looking like a mistake at the time, also, Americanization.
The font. The rise in popularity of san-serif fonts in the years following the war.
>it's another OP has mistaken the cultural diagnosis and critique of postmodern dissolution of truth, goodness, and beauty as capitalism approaches crisis for a destructive ideological choice on the part of "the liberals" episode
rise of individuality, and the fetishisation of the 'new,' mass consumer culture and the decline of artisans.
Most postwar literature produced and curated by elites is trash. It's either SJW-tier or self-indulgent pastiche (pic related). Very few literature professors take "aesthetics" seriously unless it has a political dimension
isn't it the other way around. because we're not carving stuff on stone tablets we don't need serifs?
>as capitalism approaches crisis
lol, back to /leftypol/
>loss of aesthetics in architecture
yeah whatever nigger this shit looks like it just came out of the skyline in Bladerunner
shit got liquid famalam
people had to be free
Modern Shanghai in general looks like something out of cyberpunk.
Well, to answer your question we have to look at who won WW2. Many will deny this because they're indoctrinated and incapable of internalizing the "history is written by the victors" expression, but WW2 was a war between nationalism and internationalism / jewry / communism. The latter party won, entrenched their power by disallowing criticism of their tribe, and went to work destroying the west. First through culture, which is what you're referring to -- the death of aesthetics: dumbed down writing, perversion of art, and demoralizing architecture (intrinsic in a name like "brutalism"). Aesthetics is important to Europeans and Europeans alone, and jews are desert semites to whom displays of strength or beauty are as foreign as they are and actually threatening. So post-WW2 they went about constructing a culture and an aesthetic to make the European peoples they believe they have a right to rule over give up hope. They therefore promoted simple writing styles to constrain literature, art with no merit that could be done by anyone, and architecture that makes one feel as though they're living in hell. Not to mention hypersexualization to reduce people to their base instincts and a low brow media culture that has reached unimaginable heights of mediocrity. And now they are trying to put the death knell into our civilization by using our institutions to overrun our nations with low IQ third world peasants. It's things like these that are the reason jews have been kicked out of over 100 nations and have a reputation for being subversive sociopaths -- because that's precisely what they are.
Are you implying the pic in your OP isn't a comfy aesthetic? I'd love to be a toddler and curl up on a couch in grandpa Donald's nice plane with warm tendies nearby.
You should work on your subtlety a bit if you want people to actually read your paranoid rants.
The truth need not be, and should not be, subtle, Shlomo. The goyim know.
>Critiquing the twin fiascos of architectural modernism and suburbia was problematical as long as the cheap oil regime remained in force to fuel all their enormities. History ceased to matter. Techno-triumphalism was the order of the day. Doubletalk and groupthink ruled the seminar cham- bers. The grandees and mandarins in the fine arts promoted each other to the rank of metaphysical viziers in an intellectual despotism aimed at crushing the human spirit. The sociopathic norms of the corporate boardroom – all profits to the shareholders (and gargantuan bonuses to the management!) – eclipsed any other value system. The lumpen public, reduced to so many mere consumer units, were hung out to dry on booby- trapped home equity lines-of-credit. The diminishing returns of all this nonsense and wickedness were ignored as entropy worked its remorseless hoodoo on our culture. The result, in America especially, was a land full of places and things not worth caring about and a living arrangement with no future.
>I write in a stunning October week when the world financial markets are blowing up. They are self-destructing in large part because of the looming end of the cheap oil fiesta. The connection between the two has remained strangely recondite, even among people who should know bet- ter. It is as follows: the all-time peak of oil production implies the end of industrial growth as we have known it – especially when you correct for the unworkable fantasies that purport a continuing fiesta of so-called alternative or renewable energy sources. The end of industrial growth as we’ve known it implies that the investment instruments which represent the hope and expectation for future growth – stocks, bonds, currencies, et cetera – must lose their legitimacy. An attempt was made in recent years to work around this problem with engineered innovative financial instruments based on something other than industrial growth (namely, on getting something for nothing). These were the various species of mutant tradable papers denoted by their alphabet soup names: MBSs, CDOs, SIVs, CDSs. etc, most of them in one way or another originating from fraud in the real estate mortgage market, which is to say in the financing of suburban houses and their commercial accessories. These aggregate frauds amounted to a grand and comprehensive swindle, and now that swindle has left the world financial system in smoldering ruins.
>all went to shit
>after WW II
That's about the same time the barrier to entry for most of that stuff started dropping and the average person became more and more of a sloppy, lazy socialist who "just wants to live, man."
Especially now, when practically everything is as easy as it has ever been for people to get into, when quality is at an all-time low only because quantity overcoming the barriers to entry are at an all-time high, so instead of higher quality aesthetic, most people ascribe to "more followers + more fame + more lavish lifestyle/money = success."
Nobody wants to put in the actual hard work and effort required to rise up to meet (not even close to exceeding) the greats in the past. People think they can, and think they do regularly because success and quality is now "a numbers game."
>Basically, if you haven't "made it" the general public doesn't give a shit what you have to say unless you're an extremist in your actions
>and then they judge you and what you say, as well as any points you make that are valid, against your actions.
>But then, if you "do" make it and try to bring attention to quality, effort, and aesthetics, you either get Shia Le Boeuf'd or
>have to be like Ashton Kutcher or Jennifer Lawrence, and act like an insecure dolt to get the public to agree with you.
The only time authors or musicians, entertainers, really, get to say what they think is when they're on an upward spiral or are just blowing up successfully and people who would normally take offense would ignore it.
Aesthetics became more concerned with its true essence which is the realisation of theory and shedding of all extraneous features. Aesthetics honestly turned to shit after the Baroque and only started redeeming itself at the tail end of the 19th century.
European civilization culminated in its own self-destruction in WW2 and the only reason it survived was due to American (Jewish) intervention.
This is not true at all. You should try inform yourself better.
Yes it is. There is no such thing as a united Europe -- Europeans are not tribal like the Jews. Their close proximity has caused them to resent each other down to their very essence. It has driven their advancements and their conquest elsewhere (which in turn causes the mass diaspora and a fatal lack of Europeans back in their own country). Self-annihilation is in the European DNA, like Jesus himself, and they must die so that the world be born anew (intervening Jews be damned).
You sound like a pretty sick dude. Are you jewish?
I am the body of Christ.
Since jesus was jewish should I assume that means you are as well?
Gentiles make up the body of Christ. Please read the bible before it is too late.
No thanks, went through my muh jew on a stick phase. You should stop worshipping the tribe that seeks to destroy you. Christianity is a desert religion, it's not for Europeans and was only meant to pacify us.
Ben Franklin embarrassingly dressing like a woodland hunter to visit France = neckbeards dressing like Gary Grant to talk to ladies
US founders putting fake illuminati symbols on money = Veeky Forums meming, Stirner face, "start with the Greeks" etc.
early Christians trying to retcon the total rando Jesus into established Hebrew mythology = pastiche, memes and tortured literary connections
Everything was always pastiche. Southeast Asians using peppers in their food is pastiche. Everything will always be pastiche. Get over it
i worship no tribe. Europeans would still be living in mud huts if it weren't for that 'desert religion'.
Hey, Varg, your music is shit
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Europeans never lived in mud huts and that religion was forced upon your ancestors by the sword of Charlemagne whose court was stocked with jews bribing him to go out and murder his own people and force this semitic religion on them. You should feel ashamed.
>Europeans never lived in mud huts
Epic levels of denial.
Sorry, but you're wrong.
>The universal building material was timber.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Under "culture."
>They weren't literally mud they were timber!
With such a focus on the letter rather than the spirit it's surprising you can convince anyone you're not Jewish.
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Europeans lived in wood homes, not mud huts as you falsely tried to claim.
And if I was jewish I wouldn't be here trying to inform other whites about jewish behavior and the negative impact they have on white nations. Sorry, you swung and missed.
hur dur president eats fried chicken whaaaaa
>The huts of the same low quality as mud huts weren't actually mud huts because they were made of timber.
Ok.
>if I was jewish I wouldn't be here trying to inform other whites about jewish behavior and the negative impact they have on white nations.
Yes Jews never benefit from antisemitism.
Jews very much do benefit from *claims* of antisemitism, but antisemitism is nothing more than a natural response to jewish behavior.
Nonetheless, it seems the point of confusion here lies with you not knowing the definition of the word "timber."
Timber means wood, and wood is not mud. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.
'Mud huts' is just a way of saying unimpressive architecture of low quality, as I've been implying for the past couple of posts now. The fact that the 'mud huts' aren't literally made out of mud is you being a pedantic Jew.
The answer is, and always will be, mass produced capitalism.
No, a "mud hut" is something very specific, and not a timber home. I understand you're an antiwhite trying to disparage European peoples, but you're doing a very poor job, and choosing architecture, which is a realm Europeans are unmatched in, was a very poor choice on your part.
>Yes Jews never benefit from anti-Semitism.
Everyone benefits from the concept that they are an oppressed minority
>MUH WHITE GENOCIDE
>MUH SEXISM
>MUH RACISM
The qualifying accusation (racism, anti-racism, jewish supremacy, anti-semtisim etc.) is still relevant if the criticism is nothing more than a vapid attempt at oppressing this minority.
Why Stormfags don't take it a step further, and come up with a serious analysis instead of just stopping with "I AM THE REAL VICTIM" is beyond me.
How long are you two going to go on?
>which is a realm Europeans are unmatched in
Yeah all those Europeans, expect the ones that didn't live in the Asian Minor.
>No, a "mud hut" is something very specific
Not in the way I used it. You disputing this is just a distraction from the main point from however many posts ago:
>Europeans are unmatched in
Yes, after Christianity. European architecture was "mud huts" (not literal mud!) before Christianity.
the society of the spectacle took over
and not just in america, but in any americanized locale as well
Still no match, but you know that Indo-Europeans settled in India 4000-5000 years ago and today those with the highest European admixture make up the Brahmin caste, who built that building, right?
I'm just going to assume you have some kind of learning ability since you still cannot distinguish between mud and wood and are trying to play your gaffe off as a metaphor no one is going to buy. Sorry, you failed.
things were already falling apart but the catastrophe of the war accelerated the process.
WWI did the same thing, maybe to an even greater extent but its harder to see from this distance.
the Marshal Plan began turning western europe into a big shopping mall/theme park, which is how americans have always looked at europe
*learning disability, is of course what I meant to say.
>the Marshal Plan began turning western europe into a big shopping mall/theme park
a process that was already well underway even by the fin de siecle. Read the Italian Futurists' manifesto. fascism a last ditch attempt to stop it from happening and reverse the process
>but you know that Indo-Europeans settled in India 4000-5000 years ago and today those with the highest European admixture make up the Brahmin caste
>being this retarded
>who built that building, right
Wasn't that built rather recently? Are you saying Pajeets have kept an unbroken white heritage?
>Sorry, you failed.
I will assume this is you conceding the point that Europe's impressive architecture was from after Christianity.
Psotmodernism has been dead for a while though. We're arguably living in metamodernism now.
Indo-Europeans settling in India during the time I stated is an undisputed scientific fact and the people of India still speak an Indo-European language: Hindi.
It was built recently, but the Brahmins, the most functional pajeet of the pajeets, have high European admixture, which is why they're comparatively smart.
And to a degree, yes, Hindu is actually the closest thing we have to the ancient Aryan pagan religions.
Indo-Europeans also settled in Iran, and the the word Iran literally means "Aryan."
Christianity doesn't build buildings, people do.
So the answer to my question is yes, they are white.
Why do white people defecate in designated shitting streets?
No, they are obviously not white. And the street shitters are the lower castes who contain the least amount of European admixture.
>But postwar music (rock, r&b, rap) is mostly derivative of older folk music
Basically all music. Forever. Things haven't changed they've just sped up and now that people (you/me/artists) have access to more information than anyone else before us it's much easier to dig through the refuse of the past and find things that merit revisitation or that we can connect to current trends in music today.
People have been saying pretty much exactly what you're saying since the beginning of fucking time.
Bitch, stop lookin at life as a line. Its a fuckin circle.
"after Christianity" doesn't imply that it builds buildings. Do you want to try again?
Easy lives, hardship breeds culture.
Listen, I know what you're trying to imply but it's neither here nor there. Christianity inspired great architecture, sure, but to claim that that architecture was the result of some divine spirit and not the artistic vision and fortitudinal might already existent within European man himself is just not something you're going to be able to sell to any rational person.
Thank you for this post, because it made me realize that literally the opposite is happening in 2017 USA:
>the individual is dying
>Fetishization of the vintage
>Mono consumer culture (internet)
>The rise of artisans (autism)
>Christianity inspired great architecture, sure
Well that was my point.
I know that was your point and I agree with it, obviously.
>Why have the arts gone to shit after WII?
because the americans won...
I mean I dislike Hitler as much as the next guy but had the Nazis won we would listen to some fine ass Wagner operas instead of Justin Bieber now, so I guess they got that going for them
I'll tell you exactly what happened: The baby boom. TV dinners. Drive-thrus. The space age. Industries raised up to satisfy the mass egoist demand for Convenience. Neighbors became people to mistrust. The material of a society frayed, and American culture went with it. We've got two generations of humans hooked to their smartphones now. Do you really think Americans will ever have an original thought again?
And you're right, Pomo is pastiche. Deconstruction / post-structuralism is a poor, forced imitation of the dehumanization that occured in the 20th century.
Pic related. Bored of the hard life under capitalism? #TrySocialism, guys. Wew, I can't wait to be on the dole with everyone else.
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>postwar music (rock, r&b, rap) is mostly derivative of older folk music
lolwut?
take the my chemical romance and beiber out of your ears and get a clue, brainlet. listen to the anthology of american folk music. then listen to the staple singers/robert jordan. then postwar fags like willie nelson and elvis and bb king. then beatles and fucksticks like 80s hair metal. even miley and beyonce. it's all the same egoist whiny shit.
The problem is hetereogeneity in most aspects of live. Design choices clashing, skin color and cultures clashing. We need a homogenous society.
>Deconstruction / post-structuralism is a poor, forced imitation of the dehumanization that occured in the 20th century.
Lol pomo is humanist.
>Art, literature, architecture, you name it, it all turned to shit after the war.
I'm not sure how you classify shit when early modernism seems just as shit as post-war
>homogeneity
>always good
If you ever get into typography, Helvetica is crazily dominant. There's a good documentary on the subject literally called "Helvetica", I think the subject makes literature maybe not the best medium to explore it.
>"history is written by the victors"
>quoting an actual jewish mysticist communist prosecuted by the nazis
stopped reading there famalam