Why does Veeky Forums love post-modernism so much?

"Those SJWs who reject biology and science"

Because Pynchon is nice

And Logos

Don't give the blind followers too much credit and think they know what that is. Most have only watched this video and like him because he BTFO those SJWs, and maybe the Joe Rogan podcasts.
youtube.com/watch?v=O-nvNAcvUPE

>a bit
dishonest post

What is Post Modernism?

It just makes sense

JBP focuses specifically on the philosophy of post-modernism. And because it's such a hard to define term, it also leaks over onto a discussion of critical theory and post-structuralism.
I suppose they see it as a philosophy that tries to undo our culture and our civilization. Rather, it tries to do this to all cultures/civilizations. They see this as inherently dangerous for a few reasons. Primarily, because once you remove it, it becomes a breeding ground for a quick replacement. Specifically JBP fears a fascist or marxist ideology taking power. However he says it could really be anything.

They look at how this culminates in various ways, such as the SJW movement and also political movements.
Interestingly, after watching a mountain of his videos, I can't determine what his political views exactly are. He's some form of libertarian that's against nationalism and doesn't really care about the economy.

because of their intellectual deficiency in science, phil of mind, and linguistics :p

>The Marx worship prevalent amongst postmodern philosophers has enraged the right for one--albeit a bit too late to be pissed off about that in 2017.

>social constructionalism is a very difficult concept to deem worthy of respect because it institutes radical change to society and its morals. To pomo critics, it negates thousands of years of collective unconscious examination, creating only chaos. Collective (un)conscious examination is what we predominantly used before written language to understand the world around us. For instance, it is often asserted in the post-free love era that monogamy is inhuman. Biologically, monogamy worked well toward the evolution of our species because we tended to dwell in small, isolated communities (even the nomadic tribes were isolated in a sense) and a man who carelessly spread his seed risked having his children copulate without knowing they are related. A few generations down the line, the family tree goes full Deliverance. An about face to morality care have dire and unforeseen consequences on society.

>pastiche, isn't original.

>critique of technology is always misconstrued as backward and even amish, yes its a hypocrisy.

>Peterson is justified in his critique. If you like Derrida, you should welcome deconstruction of all philosophy. Even postmodernism

Because they are Veeky Forumsbro assholes

Because it's anti-ideological just like good literature.

Is it true what I've heard about Peterson being a jew?

>anti-ideological

No such thing.

postmodernism is decidedly not Marxist though, and Derrida already deconstructed deconstruction. I don't see what you're getting at.

anti-ideological is def possible, non-ideological is not

It is the association between Foucault, Sartre, Derrida, and Baudrillard (even though Baudrillard shifted away from marxism) with communists that discredits them in the eyes of the right. I was only trying to defend Peterson from a lot of misunderstood hate despite the fact that I disagree with him.

> cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP86S00588R000300380001-5.PDF

Cool link about the CIA's interest in the shift away from marxism by pomo philosophers. Helps smash the notion that it all is marxist propaganda

What's "modernism"?

Post-Modernism is not critical theory you morons. Did your Jordan Peterson god not tell you that?
Post-modernism in literature is interested in form as a part of narrative, on features like fragmentation and on self-awareness within the text, similar to Don Quixote.
I'm begging you, read the Crying of Lot 49, read William Gaddis, read The Tunnel.
Then, when you have become a man, return to this as an alien to what you were before.

before post-modernism

I really get a kick out of these threads, reading the opinions of so many semi-well-read kids who think they understand postmodern philosophy and are so quick to echo what they've read about it, without realizing that they're missing the plot entirely because they don't understand how jews think. Since they don't understand this fundamental element, or why it has led to jews having promoted postmodern philosophy so heavily and shaped a narrative around it as something real, they just go round and round in circles like a mouse trapped in a maze.

I used to be same way -- running around in that maze, thinking these ideas had meaning and value, not yet understanding how the jewish mind worked -- and that's why it's so funny. You're being taken for a ride into the twisting anti-philosophy of the warped jewish mind, and you can't see it for what it is, because don't understand the mind of the people who developed it.

Keep thinking it's avant-garde and deep and real, and all these things you've been told it is, but really is not; keep thinking you're unlocking the door to some important intellectual reality; keep running around that maze you poor, lost souls.

It is absolutely critical theory. Pomo literature just ran with the ideas halfassedly. Don Delillo's White Noise employed a lot of the philosophy for story development.

i agreed with you until i read "jew"

Modernism is trying to work out what to do after the Enlightenment by trying to decomparmentalise art (fiction) and everyday life. Postmodernism is realising everyday life is already fictionalised and not in the emancipatory modernist way.

>:p
jesus christ, please never post again.

Oh boy, another episode of "I can't distinguish between pomo lit and pomo philosophy"! I love this show.
Thank God that the producers make several episodes in every fucking thread.

it always amazes me how much of life is controlled by the chosen people

Mmm, yes. I do certainly understand. This is the intellectual wall you cannot pass over, out of fear or conditioning, that holds you back from seeing the truth. Good luck getting beyond that wall, dear fellow. It's not easy, I know.

Hello again.

View from the Tel Aviv bunker this morning?

One thing I've never understood about post-modernists is that if they think that beliefs are socially constructed by the dominant group, and that the underlying power dynamics between dominant and dominated groups are what really matter, then why do SJWs appeal to the socially constructed morality of the dominant group in order to undermine it? They appeal to enlightenment notions of equality under the law, and Western empiricism (muh implicit bias test!) in order to critique the culture whose tools allow them to critique it. It's like they themselves don't mind being worse off as long as Western culture falls with them.

Holy shit Jordan Peterson joined in!

You know nothing.

that guy thinks Marxism is postmodernism, he's a fucking pleb

Fucking illiterate dipshit.

did it ever occur to you that your overlords might have an interest in you spreading news of their domination here

There are many similarities to be drawn since they spawn from the same mind and are intended to accomplish the same goal.

My overlords? Care to elaborate, friend?

we both know who is paying your bills

A number of things:
Social justice existed in the US before the continentals were translated and published in English
SJWs are consumerists having been raised during the heyday of third way leftism
Postmodernism (continental) isn't as edgy as it once was, kind of fashionable instead

But you're right that the SJW position can be undermined by postmodernism, so its still relevant in a way just mischaracterised

>Post-modernism spawned from Marx
>Post-modernism and Marxism intend to accomplish the same goal
sounds like you think Marxism is post-modernism

I mean, I know who is; but I'm still in your theory. *Drumroll* . . . So, wise one?

the idea is that the enlightenment as the actualization of idealist reason as the means to human emancipation has demonstrably not panned out for most of humanity

You're thinking too individualistically. Think bigger ... think (*hint*) collectively.

Second try, amigo?

No, watch his videos. He asserts that the big postmodern philosophers are marxist and sublimate their ideas by changing their ideology from socioeconomic status as a mode of power to things like language, gender, ect. They try to "investigate" history to dig of snippets of fact to fit their theses, like Karl. They assert that we do not live in reality, but a projected reality, promoting hypernormalisation. It is all the product of KGB subversion. Sartre supported Mao, took pics with Castro. I mean fuck.

Eat circumcised dick, goy.

Explain.

Sartre is not quite a postmodernist.

Oh, Jewposting. How fun.

The french legendarily didn't know what Mao was doing.
Castro also wasn't that bad, at least if you compare him to his other communist heads.

>Postmodernism and critical theory refer to different things.
>No because DeLillo name drops Kierkegaard and features supermarkets prominently

*ding ding ding*

Ladies and gentlemen, from the stolen sands of Israel, we bring you, the one and only ... depraved and polluted mind of the chosen.

Except for the fact that a higher percentage of the world's population now liver freer, more materially prosperous lives than ever in human history.

Sorry, you were too late.

it happens

>commodities measure freedom

seems ideological

11% is a higher percentage than 10%. Please be more specific.

I think it's the fact that it's modern and most people (even very intellectual people) find it easier to read and relate to more modern works (as long as they're quality enough) than older works. Newer works are more enticing.

>The french legendarily didn't know what Mao was doing.
Is that really true? I knew there were a number of famous Frenchmen who sympathized with him, but were they really u aware of what was going on?

If you gave me $20 trillion in unbacked credit I'd build you one nicer ... and it wouldn't involve the enslavement of your children.

Many commodities are labor-saving. Washing machines and vacuum cleaners actually played a role in the emancipation of women: they made domesticity a part-time job

A great scene from a great movie illustrates this pretty well
youtube.com/watch?v=spu_6dxLcok

Yeah when there's a thread about post-modernism on a LITERATURE board people might be liable to discuss postmodernist LITERATURE, funny that.

sometimes i can't tell if these rightwing clown kids are for real or being ironic to bring us some yuks at the alt-right's expense

Because it's free. It's everything and more. It's infinite. It's high and it's low. It's wild and it's tame. It's demands nothing of you and in return you get it all.

Also, White Noise critiques lots of aspects of the modern world (consumerism, disintegration of the family) which anti-postmodernists attribute to postmodern philosophy, so not really seeing how its the same as the thing it condemns.

That's what they said about PCP, now I have to see a shrink regularly

You got PCP for free?

Now this one's a kool-aid guzzler. That soma of fiction, delicious soma...

i always wanted to try pcp because i fucking love lsd but i'm worried ill chop my dick off and jump out a window or some shit like that guy from wutang did on pcp and that gives me pause

>like that guy from wutang did
Which one was that?

i can't remember he was some minor affiliate who put out a forgettable album around the turn of the century, which is to say past the wu's peak, then when he chopped it off i think rza put out a statement saying he wasn't down with wu anymore or something, u don't remember that shit?

How do you account for Peterson's own misunderstandings? He seems to conflate these things too, which is one of the reasons I find it hard to take him seriously whenever he tries to talk about postmodernism.

Also, most of the people you mentioned there either rejected Marxism at some point in their career or made it clear at some point that they were not Marxists themselves, even if they sometimes criticized Marxism.

But Marxist criticism within the Soviet Union looked nothing like what Western Marxist philosophers of the 20th century were doing, and post-modern philosophy is largely post or anti-Marxist.

what is that term for academics who try to use their academic background to make uneducated statements about other areas? "domain something", domain jumping? domain extension? can't remember, but i saw someone on y-combinator put steven hawking on blast for talking a bunch of paranoid shit about artificial intelligence, it's like hawking may be the man when it comes to finding black holes or proposing equations about dark matter or some shit, but what the fuck makes him more qualified than any other shitposter to publish opinions on ai? peterson is the same, you're not a literature professor nor a sociologist, so kindly fuck off with your weird trash opinions

I do not, but probably because it wasn't one of the main people and because I stopped listening to nigger music when I got racially aware and realized who was feeding it to me to make me dumb.

bing.com/search?q=wu tang chops dick off&qs=AS&pq=wu tang chops di&sc=3-16&cvid=849E08987CD943F3BD63B3A8B7E98EE2&FORM=QBLH&sp=1

For the curious; that's as far as I go.

>you're not a literature professor nor a sociologist, so kindly fuck off with your weird trash opinions

You mean Peterson, right?

sadly i still enjoy the nigly music even though i too am aware and should know better, in fact the book that "redpilled" me on hip-hop is a book called The Big Payback, that is about the history of the hip-hop industry, it's written in really simple language so nigs and kids can read it, but it shows who the big promoters were that made it into a big phenomenon and how they basically used hip-hop culture to monetize and glorify crime and degeneracy, many of them had degrees, even from elite places like nyu, meanwhile rapping about dropping out high school and committing crime, they totally betrayed a generation of people, the worst part is it damages the black community most of all, but plenty of whites fell for the meme too, terrible terrible stuff, but when prodigy died yesterday i still had to bump mobb deep for a couple hours u feel me

Nice reading comprehension you've got there.
I have no issue with people discussing pomo lit. I have an issue with people who can't distinguish between the two and assume that they're the same entity

yes, i realized the "you" was unclear after i posted

When dealing with power in Western society, you eventually have to grapple with capitalism, and that makes Marxism relevant again.

money's not that powerful look at how much money the democrats spent on that race in georgia only to get smoked lol the nytimes swore they were going to win only to get btfo, it was like a flashback of trump's win, the democrats still don't get it, you can't call people racist white trash and then play a billion dollars worth of ads on tv and think that's going to make them vote for you

For the most part; Veeky Forums loves writers of the postmodern era (and writers influenced by PoMo fiction) but hates postmodern theorists

It's weird

If you haven't accepted that
Jameson has the best analysis of PoMo you're doing it wrong

Nice digits

Do you actually think SJWs understand the postmodernists ?

SJW only read huffington post, blogs, and tweets.

Can't say I feel you. And can't tell if you're a non-white, either, but I'll say my peace anyway, and if you were under the impression that no one could possibly tie postmodernism to rap music, prepare to be amazed.

Rap is terrible in a number of ways, but it, like so many other culturally harmful ventures, is a product of jewish machinations. The jew promotes social disorder in his host society and uses lower tier people (proles, women, blacks, gays, etc.) to to accomplish this goal; the idea being to marginalize or take power away from the elite males who were historically in charge of maintaining that society's order and values, and promote these other people ahead of him, which in return empowers the jew.

Rap is pretty minor compared to the other socially destructive activities the jew engages in when he's given free reign, like pornography, but it still has bad results, like teaching 15 year old white boys to worship low IQ blacks, who they are told are the epitome of masculine and cool.

Postmodernism is the philosophical equivalent of rap. "But user," you say, "that's ridiculous." Well maybe a little, but not too much. Because postmodernism (and Marxism for those who don't realize these are both jewish machinations) is fundamentally interested in achieving the same goal: social disorder, atomization, and spiritual destruction. The jew isn't interested in bettering his host society, he views himself as an outsider who is one of the chosen people and who is better than you (the cattle, or "goyim"), and therefore wants to break your culture down, make idols out of non whites, and ultimately wreck your nation.

It's hard for Europeans to imagine that a group of people could be this insane and hateful, but that's the reality we're dealing with. When a culture comes under as much control from jews as the west currently is, things start getting real bad, which is why we're reaching peak levels of degeneracy and dealing with an invasion. But it's also why the jew must keep moving; he can't help himself from engaging in this behavior and either he starts trying to kill his rivals off (as in Russia) or everyone finally bands together and runs him off (Egypt - present).

prime time ideology

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Ear to the streets, dawg.

Personally, I'm indiferent about post-modernists. They have some good stuff and some really crappy things.
I do hate and get triggered by modernists/positivists, tho.

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