Why Do Female Authors Dominate Young-Adult Fiction?

>community a bit above fan fiction
>writers are kid-tier
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You missed the part about it frequently being written by people college degrees.

The format makes it pretty obvious. HS kids do their Naruto and HP fan fiction, while English and creative writing majors try "original" works. Both live in bubbles and neither has enough life experience hence their writing is crappy.

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Possessing of ideally suited perspective.

Because YA reflects the form of subjectivity the late capitalist culture industry promotes for the normie female middle class demographic.

They're not smart enough to write much else. Even 50 Shades was unusually simple.

Most books are. Purity, Infinite Jest. It's just men seems to be able to add something more to the work in between the lines (or in the case of IJ, very overtly). I felt like Eragon and Artemis Fowl were better than Harry Potter. Harry Potter was good but Rowling really lucked out with the movie biz

>he liked eragon

Everyone has a college degree. Why don't you offer a real argument

YA is fucking stupid and if the authors could do more, they would. It wouldn't matter if they all had MFA's and PhD's

>talks about actual meditation
>cool take on magic
>cool world
>great twist backstory (his dad)
Did you watch the movie first? Did you even read the books?

Artemis Fowl was more like an episodic series. HP more of a movie experience. Way more magical, fuller, escapism-y.

Eragon is just trash, come on.

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>if the authors could do more, they would
What does more even mean? Children books like The Little Prince easy shit on most of "adult" literature. YA is just the general market and offers every possibility to write a good story.

I feel like you're judging Eragon from the movie.

Artemis Fowl felt like an adult thriller with fantasy elements. I remember reading it as a kid and being surprised it was meant for kids.

Harry Potter was pretty good, yeah.

More than appeal to the lowest common denominator with Mary Sue's and cliche everywhere.

>They're not smart enough to write much else. Even 50 Shades was unusually simple.
only because they do not need to, since women and even more so men praise a woman's work only for being a woman's work

Women are nurturers?

They share the simplicity of thinking?

>More than appeal to the lowest common denominator with Mary Sue's and cliche everywhere.
Well, that just shitty writing and common in every other genre. Brown or Patterson are making millions with it too.

Besides, prominent examples like HP or Hunger Games are pretty decent for what they try to be.

Because female writers are better at pandering to female perspectives, versus movies which don't need to pander to female perspectives (maybe, I hear wonder woman made a gorrillion dollarydoos so that might change soon).

>Artemis Fowl felt like an adult thriller with fantasy elements.

You have to be fucking joking. I remember reading it when I was like 12 and being somewhat embarrassed that I was reading it. HP is honestly just better written than it in every meaningful way.

Because Schopenhauer is right and women are trapped in a perpetually childlike mental state.

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>why do female authors dominate YA fiction?

HP is better written then all of them except maybe His Dark Materials.

But YA fiction follows trends and right now the popular trend is make your story all about how the fate of the whole world depends on your teenage relationship (hunger games et al).

It's worth wondering what Young Adult fiction looks like today. In my opinion, stories like Hunger Games, Divergent, The Maze Runner, are all just trendy 'blockbusters' that aren't seriously interesting. They're shallow and stupid and don't challenge the reader.

YA fiction is actually intended to engage the reader with realities of adulthood and adolescence in a provocative but non-traumatic way. They are usually about divorce, death of a family member or friend, domestic violence, orphaning (real orphans, not fake HP orphans), bullying, sickness and sometimes intimacy or sexual abuse. I'm sure many of you read this kind of book when you were in middle school. The authorship is sometimes female and sometimes male. It's authors are not stuck in childish fantasy or wish fulfillment but are fully mature and intending to raise children.

Huh? As far as I remember it, the only effect the relationshit had was personal, and due Kathis being an important person, the capture of Peeta made her less effective.

I really, REALLY don't like Hunger Games because the key premise is such a rip off, and Collins being a mediocre writer, and because the characters are boring but it's a pretty solid story with relatively good world building.

>I'm sure many of you read this kind of book when you were in middle school.
Because you talk about middle school topics. Kohlberg's stage 1-3. A young adult should be over that shit already and think bigger aka. stage 4-6. Or basically less "Mom divorced, I am so sad :(" and more "Muh dystopic society forbids divorce, how does it affect the world, also which hot white guy do I marry?"

Source? Most people who rate shit on imdb are men.

No you're backwards. The 'dystopic' fiction is simpler and less uncomfortable for their readers. It doesn't challenge them to deal with divorce in the same way that Harry Potter doesn't' challenge readers to deal with foster care. It's also not focused on marriage. It's myopically interested in immediate social relationships and elevates them above all other issues. The fate of the world hangs in the balance of who you take to prom.

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>is simpler and less uncomfortable for their readers
Why? It handles bigger issues than some personal shit.

>It doesn't challenge them to deal with divorce in the same way that Harry Potter doesn't' challenge readers to deal with foster care
Nor does it have to. These are topics for kids. An adult should be over that crap and focus on the future and the relationship between them and society. "I am so sad because mommy and daddy are dead" is okay when you're 12 or 14. If you're 21, there are bigger shit to deal with.

>myopically interested in immediate social relationships and elevates them above all other issues. The fate of the world hangs in the balance of who you take to prom.
How was fucking Ginny relevant to the corrupt government and some noseless nazi being after Harry? Katpiss didn't even date inside the main story. Not all YA is like Twilight, which itself is paranormal romance.

>Most men write in a very self focused way that makes caring about the shit hard if you didn't have the same experiences, while females are better at finding mass appeal
Dude what? The most self-centered writers are always comes from females rather than men.

Turn around while you still can.

I don't really know how those stories could be simpler. The audience of HP is literally 11 years old. That's how old Harry Potter is in the first story. Voldemort isn't a Nazi. It's not even about race. The story is a tale about lords and ladies, where the orphan discovers he's secretly the son of the richest lord in Magic England, and is magically transported to live in a Castle with infinite money and infinite food. Then you can have a fun little swashbucker where he fights the bad lords think that only those with noble blood should be allowed to have titles. The fact that people continue to read them well past young adulthood (which ends after adolescence) is confusing to me. I think I already explained how YA authorship is can actually be very mature and created with a specific goal in raising people by dealing with social issues in a complex and real way, by encourage them to empathize with people who are NOT them. It doesn't deal with (my parents are dead), MY parents are alive. I don't have lukemia, I'm not a foster child, my brother is not in jail. It doesn't just say racism is bad, it shows the reader the role they can play in actual racism. YA can be bereft of simple conflicts between good and evil, and in fact such understand is more advanced on Kohlberg's scale.

>where he fights the bad lords think that only those with noble blood should be allowed to have titles
So basically the experience of middle class people + discrimination. Pretty timeless.

>The fact that people continue to read them well past young adulthood (which ends after adolescence) is confusing to me.
Escapism into a magic world where problems can be easy solved and the good guys win. Very timeless too.

>by encourage them to empathize with people who are NOT them.
That's way too basic and to a degree the case in almost every story, either way.

>it shows the reader the role they can play in actual racism
Like Harry and Ron standing up for their negress friend? Mirroring farcical trials against minorities? A creeping takeover the system and creating the atmosphere of fear and distrust?

Besides the whole shit about right and easy choices. That fatass or Ron never would've be targeted if they just playing along.

Yeah, because female writers can't explain the outside World which surrounds them before explaining their inner world on the first hand. And it's not about them being self-centered or shallow, that's just how female mind works.

>focus on the future and the relationship between them and society. "I am so sad because mommy and daddy are dead" is okay when you're 12 or 14. If you're 21, there are bigger shit to deal with.
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to a degree id say that's true, but it isn't law.

>And it's not about them being self-centered or shallow, that's just how female mind works.
The typical female mind is self-centered and shallow.

Shouldn't you increase the sample size beyond your female relatives to make such a wide reaching statement?

I think a part of it is dudes are more likely to break it down into critical elements and are more liable to care about form and style, whilst females are more liable to base it on the feeling and general tropes and themes

Well, Hunger Games written buy a guy would be more about the system and the politics.

Why is Veeky Forums so jealous about authors who manage to sell their stories well?

These people aren't trying to change the fuckin' world here; they're just trying to make a buck.

Hunger Games written by a guy with the same skills as Suzanne Collins would have had Peeta as the invincible edgelord who gets all the bitches (specifically Katniss).

They tend to avoid getting bogged down describing their magic system or their perfect waifu.

Also how much does jk rowling looking like ginny weasley as a teenager, fuck me.

Because trashing other people's works while pretending to be an enlightened intellectual is a quick and cheap way to feel better about yourself.

Because they are deluded as much as their readers

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I have nothing more to add.

>IJ
>unusually simple

wtf are you talking about

It's easy money. Honestly, I work in a library, and they are one of the most commonly borrowed books, and the readers are usually women. I guess women get women better than men do. Shocker.

Can kids these days really enjoy Harry Potter anymore?

I think the problems are mainly in using the silly child-setting set up in books meant for five year olds in the sequels meant for 18 year olds. There is no clear separation between generations like with say, The Hobbit and LOTR. The books are chronologically one after the other.

All the dumb silly shit like the fascist wizards and luck potions and dumb plot points about love saving you from bad wizard magic, and the silly rules for magic are fun when its sort of lighthearted and whimsical. When you turn that into full blown YA it reads like fanfiction of its former self.

I understand the growing up with the books part, I kind of did it myself, but then for every generation from now on they can't really enjoy the series. Either you read a childs book as an adult and its dumb, or you end up reading super adult sequels as a ten year old and its also dumb. Outside of a very specific generation it kind of falls apart.

>Can kids these days really enjoy Harry Potter anymore?
All the kids I teach love Harry Potter.

>Either you read a childs book as an adult and its dumb
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What do you teach? Are children these days worse for wear psychology-wise due to being raised in front of YouTube?

>tfw she will never dominate your face

because that's where the money is, retard

Because women are nothing but big children

>those Brit teeth
Damn it brush your fucking teeth you whore. Still, I would definitely make her my Veeky Forums waifu and make her read actually good literature so she could write shitty philisophical novels that no one cares about instead of shitty ya fiction everyone cares about, so she would become financially dependent on me and let me abuse her psychologically.

Because men dominate high literature.

Unlike the other two commenters, I will actually offer critique of Eargon beyond a snide one-liner. The plot is derivative as fuck. Tell me if this story sounds familiar to you: A young farm boy/ orphan discovers he has magic powers that he slowly hones with the aid of an old man that later sacrifices himself in the struggle against the evil emperor (who has the same powers as the farm boy) of the land. Also the antagonist is the protagonist's father. There is no getting beyond the fact that Eargon is merely Star Wars with swords instead of light sabers.

Not him but I read Eragon before watching Star Wars so the story felt fresh to me.
What I liked about it was the description of how magic works and the MC's development, both as a warrior and as an individual. That's not to say it doesn't have any flaw, especially the last two books, but it's easy to see how a kid can get hooked on it.

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Her teeth are well brushed, you mongoloid retard. She just never wore braces as a child.

teenage girls are the target audience
i was talking to someone in publishing about this

sounds like females need to get good stop studying gender studies and start studying film