/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

>Sanderson's "witty" females
Never reading one his books ever again

It's dangerous to go alone. Take this.

sfsite.com/fsf/2007/gwng0704.htm

Best of luck

Kys for making that book into a meme. Soon people will not read it. I hope ABSOLUTE SEMPAI fucks your shit up.

Age of Myth

The more meme a novel is perceived to be, the more people will read it.

Source: Infinite Meme by DFW

I read about fifty pages of that last year and couldn't stand it. Gravity's Memebow, on the other hand, was alright.

>Shallan acting like a cunt to the highlords in WoR
DROPPED

someone post some of her autismal dialogue

hey, it's my boy Stelarc. This dude is pretty nuts, one of the more intriguing performance/body artists around.

This is his 'Ear on Arm' project. It's made with real skin and cartilage, sculpted through plastic surgery. He has a microphone implanted in it, so he can listen to what his 3rd ear hears with headphones, or stream his 3rd ear to the internet.

Anyway, not a huge scifi guy, don't mean to shit up your thread.

Anyone have some good rec's for dark/horror/grimdark fantasy? I haven't read too much outside of Robert E. Howard.

>he fell for the book that never ends

How did the arm in the OP work then? I thought it was a prop.

Has anything been done in sci-fi or fantasy about humanity living in complex places underground structures while they fear and plot how to overthrow the giants who live above?

I want to say it's hooked up to switches he can push with his toes.
He made a huge spider walker thing that was controlled with his toes so the arm might be similar

It's not hooked to his toes like another poster suggested. It's wired to diodes on his leg that sense the electrical nerve signals of his muscle movements. By flexing his leg, he controls the third arm.

Ping Body/Involuntary Body works the opposite way. Users on the internet send signals which are converted into electrical shocks, causing his muscles to spasm and 'dance'.

Broken Earth trilogy
Metro 2033

Ender's Game.

>9730524

I will be the devil's lawyer here. There have always been prolific authors and slower writers. Philip K Dick banged them out, but Walter Tevis couldn't. Consider also that 40-70s novels were often smaller. A lot of novels from this era are barely two hundred pages.

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>A lot of novels from this era are barely two hundred pages.
That's a good thing

Rowling is my favorite author! She's the best!

What did she write?

That's because bloated SF&F wasn't normalized in that period as it was now. Instead you had authors who produced lean works and cut their teeth banging out story after story in the pulps so they could eat. Now these jokers can get huge advances and twiddle their thumbs forever.

Yes, my saying 'barely' two hundred pages makes it sounds like a criticism. I've no problem with shorter novels. The two hundred page novel is good because a good example can be begun on Friday evening and finished by Monday. If I knew more novellas I would also read more of them.

Perhaps my point that prolific authors wrote shorter novels is also countered by noting the short story market. People like Vance and Dick wrote a lot of short stories as well as novels.

How'd they do it? It appears to be a matter of dogged determination, economic necessity, and single-mindedness.

Look at Robert Silverberg's level of productivity from the 50s-70s. All those SF+F novels, as well as short stories, and a line of non-fiction books. He didn't have to pop pills like PKD either.

But there is publishers to consider. Would a modern publisher even permit an author to release two novels a year? They would prefer to milk sales of individual books for much longer.

Finally bought a copy of Nemesis yesterday, is it as good as I've heard?

With 'The Wizard Knight' and 'Soldier of the Mist' arguably.

If it weren't for the meme it wouldn't get a fraction of the exposure it does.

Anyone else reading Tad Williams' new book? It's a sequel to Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn. I'm liking to so far, you can tell how much he's improved since he wrote that series decades ago. Main issue I had going into MS&T was the unbearably slow pacing. All Williams' novels have a slow windup but he just spent so much time on basically nothing in MS&T. He's learned to accelerate faster and trim out the fat over the years and it shows in Witchwood Crown so far.

I heard there are ARCS. WHO HAS ONE?????

so /sffg/ how integrated are you into the rest of Veeky Forums? what would you say the ratio of classics to SF/F books you read? have you read the meme trilogy?

I am asking these questions because I know you guys actually read things, which the rest of the board doesn't convince me.

A story about someone important dying, and there being a vacancy in office. Middle age mom has mid-life crisis and corners young nubile virgin and feasts on his virility and innocence.
There is also poos in loos, chubbers and slag passing around the cunny.

50:50
The meme trilogy is GR, IJ and Ulyseses right?
In that case I've read it

I've always been impressed that PKD, when he couldn't get or afford actual drugs, worked out a way of getting high from megadoses of Vitamin C

>If it weren't for the meme it wouldn't get a fraction of the exposure it does.
I had it in my chart years ago, and it was in the OP years ago too. I recommended it when called for. All you fags are doing is reducing a modern classic to a meme. Especially when someone ask for something specific, e.g sword and sorcery and you lot recommend BoTNS because Severian carries around terminus and has a glowing blue claw, or they ask for books with giant killing and you rec BoTNS because of Ms River so Green, or they ask for GRI and you rec BoTNS because of "muh granny" and "muh forced boat excursion".

Who cares you autist

Are you new to lit, or new to sffg?

>Modern Fantasy
>Grimm's Fairy Tales
??

>he doesn't know where he is
Every. Single. user. In. This. General. Is. An. Autist.

I'm trying to read more classics and nonfiction now, used to be 70% SFF to 30% anything else but this year I'm more or less evenly balanced, getting into some history, biography, and politics. Haven't read anything from the meme trilogy, but I did pick up Pynchon's "Bleeding Edge" and enjoyed it (partly because it's got elements of cyberpunk going on). I also really like William Blake. Don't post on regular Veeky Forums as much as /sffg/, but occasionally pop into a thread if it's about an author or book that seems interesting.

Everyone reading fantasy should read that book. It should be fantasy's version of "start with the Greeks". Too many things are drawn from those stories.

Recently started listening to the first Legend of the Galactic Heroes Book. You know what's even less interesting than ham-fisted lore? Heavy tactics right at the beginning, especially when you don't care about the characters yet. The world interested me, but I just stopped caring and got my money back halfway through.

Red Rising is better

Well, sure, but nobody would put the Greeks on a "modern literature" chart. Unless you mean the chart itself is modern, not necessarily the books on it?

(Really starting with the Greeks could apply to fantasy too, loads of Wolfe stuff is directly linked to them. Plus the Norse.)

Also I've just noticed it's "fantasy" but there's Ringworld and Rendevous with Rama.

The First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie.One of my absolute favorites

Listen to the audiobook

I pretty much just infest this thread. Read classics sometimes, but have no interest in the Veeky Forums meme trilogy. I'd rather revel in garbage no one has heard of :3

Brother. Are you awaiting the new book?

Not him but I don't want to wait until November. I want it NOW Brown you hack.

I've been depressed recently, and I've realized most of the things I like reading are highly cynical and realistic. I like that sort of thing, but I could use an upper.

Can someone recommend something that is Grimdark, but has themes of unlikely hope?

Rules:
>not boring
>characters are more important than the world
>can be sci-fi or fantasy
>dynamic plot

Hell yeah I am. Pierce Brown, alongside Joe Abercrombie, are both my top inspirations
>tfw this is the most conversation I've had about the book I'm so passionate about

I want him to take his time. I think he pushed the release date back several times, and it's in January now. I don't care if it's a year from now as long as it's good.

When sffg started about 2+ years ago people kept crying for more charts. So after months of others whining I made this (my second attempt because the first one was too lazy). Of course it and it's predecessor were met with immediate ridicule as is expected of this general.

Many months later I made pic related. It is supposed to be books that can be enjoyed by a modern audience. I've read a lot of books and many of them didn't age well, so I slapped together this chart of books that might appeal to everyone (a little bit of everything).
If you want I can post the 4th version I made, that is much closer to what I originally wanted(still too lazy to complete to satisfaction. Ask anyone that made a chart from scratch, it takes hours).

>tfw this is the most conversation I've had about the book I'm so passionate about
Should have been here months ago when Inwas shilling it like a mudda (after it was shilled to me)

That's the trouble, reading is a solitary activity. I'm trying to start a local fantasy bookclub

Goodluck. You'll have to find people of like minded tastes. Because some may not want to read the shit book of the week/month.

Most of Veeky Forums doesn't actually talk about books so I don't really have anything to do on this board besides talk about sci-fi and fantasy. Seriously I just refreshed page 1 and this is what I got:
>atheism/depression thread
>zizec meme thread
>mormon thread
>some thread about art vs science or whatever
>writing feedback thread
>e-celeb drama thread
>stupid crossboard thread about how music is better than literature as an artform
>James Joyce thread by a guy who hasn't even read JJ
>/pol/ thread
>"STEM meme" thread
>twitter drama thread
>post picture recommend book thread
>actual book discussion with only 10 posts over the last 7 hours
>another Joyce pseud thread

This board is fucking terrible for talking about books.

If anybody's doing Wolfe a disservice it's you by making these charts. I haven't read most of these books because when i was 13 I decided that no book with a stock photo tier cover is worth reading, if it weren't for the meme I'd lump in Wolfe's masterpieces with the works of Brent Weeks and Jim Butcher. I've never actually read either of those authors but if either have ever produced anything 1/10 as interesting as The Fifth Head of Cerberus I'll eat my hat.

Book of the New Sun

Give me more loli books /sffg/.

How is it? Think I might pick it up.

Already three chapters into TUC, and we have already reached maximum depravity.

Wew.

I go into outer lit to see all the redshit invaders who think they can post outside our hallowed halls and succeed, ultimately fail. They learn that this is there home, and they should get back in here.

Don't. It's reddit & youtube cats the series. If you're a catfap who unironically says that your cat is your master and you the servant, then go ahead.
Just a heads up. Butcher dropped Dresden Files to write this trash, and now he can't even release book two of reddit cats.

This brings up a question that's been bugging me: why do people hate Urth of the New Sun?

I thought it was a powerful denouement to the original quad. Man, I was shedding them bitch tears by the time Severian returned to Urth and brought everything full circle. Especially the segment where he's walking on the ocean floor.

>tfw no big tittied mermaid bitches

Just kys you memeing cuck.

You into fish fucking?
What about female minotaur? Yo into cow fucking?
Female centaurs? You into mare fucking?

Go read another 5000 page series where every cover is some guy wearing black hood.

Look dude. I'm going to lay it straight. The longer I go on with my miserable existence, the lower my standards drop.

I would literally fuck a curvaceous tree at this point, as long as it vaguely resembled a woman.

I'm at that point in my life where most women are obese or single mothers with a brood of niglet spawn. It's either get drunk (or drop acid) and go on a bizarre Veeky Forums-inspired erotic journey or slay a shoggoth from Craigslist. I will not apologize for my actions.

You realize we have a guy who only reads books with catgirls on the cover

He told me that they weren't that kind of cats.

Fuck Dark Fantasy. Give me zany and weird fantasy Ala Morrowind.

I know most people consider the Dragonlance novels shit, but I maintain the Legends trilogy (Time of the Twins, War of the Twins, Test of the Twins) is pretty solid. It's got a crippled, half-mad dark wizard who goes back in time so he can outmaneuver the ghost that shares his body, seduce and corrupt a priestess of Good, and ultimately try to become a god. Plus his brother gets in a bunch of gladiator fights.

I SAID GIMME LOLIS

>I haven't read most of these books because when i was 13 I decided that no book with a stock photo tier cover is worth reading
The fact you are proud of this shows what a mental midget you are.

>books with catgirls on the cover
Wait, what books are those?

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>Prince of Thorns
There it is again! has anyone but me actually READ that book? Or does it just migrate from rec chart to rec chart, each generation trusting the previous blindly? It's so fucking bad man. It's so bad I thought it was a joke, a satire about dark and edgy fantasy protagonists, until I read further and realized it was dead fucking serious. I'm actually supposed to root for these deviantart OC motherfuckers; I'm actually supposed to be interested in this goddamn "get it it's the post apocalypse, nukes are magic lol" setting.
Is there some sort of magical turning point at the end of the series? Does the author reach enlightenment halfway through and transcend the mortal realm? Why the fuck do people keep recommending this?

>not posting the one with 70s porn-stache man lurking in the background

I think it was the Baen books one

>rap album cover with a random white guy in the background

Ya'll missed one.

Gonna buy some books. Is this a good choice?

I only recognize Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, which I really liked.

Name one good book where the cover is a guy in a black hood photoshopped in front of a forest or something.

cheeki breeki iv damke

1. Reamde
2. Sanderson the way of kangz
3./4. Vinge Hugo award dilogy
5. Lynch Lamora
6. Echopraxia
7. Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell
8. 2001: A Space Odyssey book 1
9. Stanislaw Lem Solaris etc.
10. Ulysses
11. Alexander White "Petersburg" - Ulysses part 2

> Alexander White
Andrew White

lmao that is a dank frogchop my friend

Every /pol/ack should read "The Jew in the Thornbush"

>go to amazon for "click to look inside", looking for memeable quote
>"Normardy"
>sweet merciful jesus, ok you can get through this
>"I leaned back against the gallowspost and nodded to the birds."
>errrggghhhh
>"The corpses posed as corpses do."
>NNNGGGGGGGG
>"Strange, it's killing that gives me a thirst."
>"Bovid Tor"
>"'Shit-poor farm maggots.' Rike discarded a handful of fingers over Bovid's open belly."
>"I gave him my warning look. His cursing stole the magic from the scene;"
>"Makin' always told jokes. He'd tell them to those as he killed, if they gave him time."

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I've been re-reading the Xanth series lately. People say these books are misogynistic, but I only feel like the first two books (from the perspective of Bink) could be interpreted that way. Sure there's a lot of cheesecake, but in the next few books the love interests (Millie, Irene, and Tandy) are all great, relateable characters with plenty of agency. In Night Mare, even Queen Iris, formerly a sorceress villain, has her humanizing moments.

What's the deal? Do people just read "A Spell for Chameleon" and then write off the entire series as woman-hating trash?

>narrator is 13

Ooh, a Danmachi prequel.

I occasionally post in other threads but this is by far where I spend the most time on Veeky Forums.

I'm about 40:40:20 on SFF/~Literature~/Nonfiction.