Nonduality/Enlightenment

Nonduality/Enlightenment. I'm hearing more and more about it these days. About how it is central to each major religion. Zen, Advaita Vedanta, sects of Christianity, Sects of Islam.

Is this some key, some principal of the universe? Is this the ultimate truth? Or is it a mental quagmire and delusion that some people enter into? Is it a cult?

Should I pursue enlightenment? Should I pursue nonduality? Are they the ultimate Truth?


Quoted:
"What Enlightenment Is:

A sudden massive shift in awareness where one becomes directly conscious of one's ABSOLUTE nature.
"You" and "the world" merge, erasing the physical distinction between self, other, and world.
The realization that you are reality itself, and not merely a "self" inside of reality.
The realization that "you" do not exist, and never have existed.
An experience beyond all experience.
TRUTH!"

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Quote from a Nonduality guy:
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"Just one question here.

If "I" am not the body why do I follow it everywhere its ever been?"


Think about this now... It's very simple:

Maybe you are the body, but if you are not the body, then you are mistaken about what you're taking the word "you" to refer to. See?

So when you say, "Why do I follow it (the body) everywhere its ever been" what are you actually saying? What is following the body? If you're the body, as you insist, then there's nothing to follow the body. There's just the body being you.

Nonduality doesn't say you follow the body. Nonduality says, You do not exist! The body just walks around like a zombie on its own. The problem is, it thinks there's someone inside it. You are like a robot who's been programmed to believe it's a human. When you think, "But I'm a real human."

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lmao keep tokin that reefer bucko

*hits bong*
*turns on Om's Conference of Birds*
DUDE

Enlightenment is ritual. Ritual is discipline. Discipline is training. Training is play. Play is nature. Nature is a spiral.

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deoxy.org
egodeath.com
kundaliniguide.com
suttacentral.net
sacred-texts.com
erowid.org
chaosmatrix.org
censorthis.com/ouran/ghosthome.html
freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/index.html

Riddle me this, OP:

If the self doesn't exist, who's being fooled?

And don't tell me "God" (the inevitable consequence of nonduality is that all consciousness is ultimate consciousness)... if I was God, I'd have a lot more powers than I do now.

Nothing can be fooled into thinking it exists; senseless matter cannot be fooled into experiencing qualia as such. From a scientific perspective, yes, there is no way to prove that you have consciousness. But the "lens" of science, by its very design, is intended to remove all subjectivity from whatever you're looking at. Science can't say anything about what you SHOULD do, but you know that that category of things isn't entirely meaningless, don't you? Quite recently you decided that you should post this thread for example.

Language wont get you anywhere because language is inherently dualistic. Find a modicum of faith and invest it in practice.

Epistemology from best to worst:

Gnosis>Enlightenment>Nonduality>Dualism>Faith>Evidence

>no montalk
what did he mean by this