Millennials

He's not wrong.

Millenials are shit because their parents were the Boomers and Xers; ie, millenials are garbage because their parents were willfully narcissistic bastards who squandered the wealth and power accrued by the previous several generations and then raised accidentally narcissistic bastards.

t. millennial

>No events have defined nor influenced said generation.

Look at this peasant who has never heard of September 11.

Oh, you naive little soul.

Most of them were toddlers or children whe 9/11 happened, and anyway the enormous majority of them didn't personally see it or participate in it. The same applies to the Iraq War. A whole generation needs to have participated and felt an event to really affect it, and the event needs to last a while too. It's telling that the most shocking political event of late was an American election that went awry.

And?

Maybe try waiting a one or two more decades before you start seeing actual literary output from a generation that is mostly graduating or just entered the work force.

Millennial is 1976+, so most were adults during 9/12 or whatever.

>Millennial is 1976+

>A review of various studies, surveys, newspaper articles and demographers' statements provides a wide range of ages that so-called millennials fit into. Based on these analyses, a millennial could be anyone born between 1976 and 2010, a 34-year time span that includes Pear's founding and the IMF's Greek bailout.
cnbc.com/2015/05/22/who-are-the-millennials-anyway.html

>cnbc

A-Ære you saying... Fake News?

Prepare for the birth of cybergnosticism.

You're starting off by asking the question in the wrong way. Millennial is a buzzword that's used by people in their 40's and 50's to describe the younger generation without having to take the effort of humanizing people. You're also describing a particular socioeconomic culture who is most certainly not the majority of the population.

Now, literature is hardly the engine of culture it once was but as long as there are people who want to hear stories there are gonna be people who tell them, a better question is "Who will be the main actors in tomorrows literary world?"

If you want an example of contemporary american literature that's not oversimplified for mass consumption go read the brie wonderous life of oscar wao.

It's easy too see what other people are doing arround you and think nobody writes anything worthwile anymore but the internet can help you find better things and educate yoursel as long as you dedicate enough time and effort. Literature is not just what's sold in bookstores and tv adds, there's a lot more out there that just doesn't get media exposure, you just have to look for it. If an alcoholic in a third world country like myself can find things worth reading so can you.

Ok but we dont know who the fuck you are

>most Millenials
>implying most people in any generation have written great works
You're an idiot.

As if each generation has their own unique identity. Do you really think you're that much different than an ancient Athenian? The only thing that changes is technology.

kek

He's calling you pretentious.

Even the election wasn't that big of a deal, it was a predictable victory from someone with isolationist/nationalist tendencies in the face of increasing cultural tensions. Hardly a new concept. The media is just retarded and has convinced millenials that trump is the new hitler, so they think they are living in a fascist regime.

who the hell is Proust Mark

why are millenials so particularly vile? i am one myself, but i find myself hating almost everyone in my generation. we are retarded, self-absorbed, delusional and self-righteous. at least the hippies of the 60s had a genuine "peace and love" concept that was more universal, millenials "peace and love" is just a smug know-it-all attitude that is meant purely to feel superior. millenials also seem to be totally manipulated by authority and the media, they have no real skepticism of it at all.

To fly with this brand
Into her burgundy mouth:
Peace, peace in pity.

You can't have defining cultural traits if people aren't consuming the same media

John Green isnt a millenial. Millenials are the people born in the late 80s to late 90s. Most of them are still pretty young and are just graduating college and starting full office jobs. Most millenials now are like 20-30. So we haven't really seem the emergence of great millenial minds yet, I would give it another decade or so.

Also, people in here are asking for the most impactful event for millenials, and that is The Great Recession. It may not seem like much, but it's actually had an enormous impact; most millenials feel like they can't find a good (if any) job and even the cost of living is becoming tight. This has made them pretty cynical about the economy and some aspects of capitalism.

>at least the hippies of the 60s had a genuine "peace and love" concept that was more universal, millenials "peace and love" is just a smug know-it-all attitude that is meant purely to feel superior

>Books are considered a stale medium
Maybe you just gang out with the "wrong" kind of people. Many milleniluls read books.

Most of the hippies were retarded selfish idiots just like anyone else. Not to mention most people in the 60s were never hippies, and even the ones who were were the kinds of hippies that were created more out of the marketing of "peace and love" as a tool to make things cool to sell products rather than legitimate passions for peace and love.

Why do Americans think this event is relevant to anybody but their disgusting burgerkin?

>climate-eschatologists
>not subscribing to oecoevangelism

>Tao Lin

Our guy has two books coming out next few years. Just you wait OP, they could be magnum opi

that book is great

too early to tell.

I kinda like the perks of being a wallflower.
it's very comfy.

Millennials are too young to contribute anything of literary merit. Let them reach their fifties and then see what literature is written by them.

I'm optimistic, millennials' experience with technology, politics, education and culture is far from their previous generations' experience, and future generations will be viewed similarly as the millennials, and those future generations will see their future generations in a similar way.

Millennials will have something of merit to contribute eventually, but it's still a young generation.

>implying narcissism isnt a requirement to be a writer

If you fail to see the world impact 9/11 had you're a complete mong.

post his work

>believing in marketing terms that only serve to separate us

Bourgie fuck.

did you live in the 60s? you seem to be more sure of yourself than the people that actually lived it

How the fuck would a "relevant" political event breed good artists.

>Most Millenials are middle class
that seems statistically false

>It's truly poignant when the most recognized writers of this generation are Rupi Kaur, John Green, and Tao Lin.
Holy shit, learn to use words correctly. "Poignant" does not fit here at all as a measure of your disgust. Just fuck off.

The "Peace and Love" movement was a bunch of bs anyways. It reflects a naive understanding of the human and the world, the idea that everything can be reduced to love, when there are so many other facets and necessary aspects of human existence. It survives in a vestigial form today, mostly among middle class millennial hippies who haven't experienced much of any struggle or suffering, and it's kind of pathetic honestly.

>implying he's disgusted

Op is clearly sad or distraught, fag.

That does not mean anything when you think of the fact that the amount of great literary works has decreased when comparing to a century ago.

Also, nobody reads or write anymore, and those that do it, are only doing it for the social recognitions/rewards it brings to our lives.

The defining moment of this generation is the failure of neoliberalism. Every economic crisis entails an ideological crisis, and we are still looking for an alternative worldview to replace this perpetual austerity hellhole. Completely unexpected things are happening, like the rejuvenation of socialist movements. Who knows what we can look forward to,

Nationalism and xenophobia has been more effective at getting things done than socialism lately, even though it may be less popular. And socialism has no answers or tools to address problems like Islam and mass immigration.

>nationalism is effective at getting things done
Mass immigration is an economic problem caused by cheap labour being necessary to keep western economies in motion. As long as you operate on this childish level of idealism, you will never have a genuine program. Blaming specific groups of people for structural problems is a time-honored defense of capital interests (see: fascism).

>Nationalism and xenophobia has been more effective at getting things done
it's great for sweeping systemic problems under the rug and continuing business as usual.

Right, because socialism is the antithesis to structural problems

This. It's pure distraction. But so identity politics unless you're Naomi Klein who sees it as the first step towards enacting economic changes (which it probably is regardless of how asinine it can appear).

Production for use and rational planning is exactly the antithesis to the structural problems of market economies.

So who then are the defining authors of the millennial generation?

Millenials are those born '81 and later.

Either everyone ITT is a millenial, or they're sad as fuck for still posting on Veeky Forums in their mid to late 30s.

Hunger Games, Potter, 50 Shades, Pokémon,Yugioh, etc,etc

Twilight, etc,etc, just pick whats been popular and published after the 90s

I've just written my 7th book, so there's that. All fiction, still figuring myself out as a writer, haven't even been writing books for a year yet. I touch a little bit on social issues in my fiction; feminism, BLM, the bias against men in divorce courts as well as custody battles, male suicide, and recently Islam. As for OP's view of Millenials, I don't quite fit the bill.

>Hedonistic
Alright, I'll give you that one.

>Middle class
Grew up extremely poor, reached middle-class over a decade ago, been living poor again for around 6 years or close to it.

>Addicted to browsing social media on their smartphones
I don't bother with social media and don't have a smartphone

>Ordinary
My lack of a cellphone is distinctly abnormal/non-ordinary

The events defining/influencing our generation is, I believe, the things I mentioned above. The things that political correctness have wrought on society. 3rd wave feminism, Black Lives Matter, Islam, and I suppose something from the past that is influencing our generation is 'no-fault divorce' which 2nd wave feminism brought along but that also negatively influenced the past 2 or 3 generations.

The recent US election is a reflection of what's been going on in Europe and Canada. The Islamic refugee problem must be solved, and also there's the long-standing problem of illegal immigration. Americans are getting sick of political correctness and the self-inflicted brainwashing of the left which comes of it. The left are very loud, they make their numbers seem bigger than they really are, so much so that President Hillary seemed to be a sure thing, but the majority of America, those who are tired of their loudness, showed up in greater numbers and provided a President Trump who is taking care of another problem influencing our generation; the threat of nuclear war with North Korea. It is like a Cold War 2.0, except the big, bad, Russian bear has been replaced with a retarded panda who is overweight.

The future of literature? I believe there will be works been made that reflect the time we live in. Sort of like how the 'Easy Rider' film defined the 60s, we will have books that show the regressive left, probably including a 'what-if' book that shows how the world might have turned out if Trump hadn't won the presidency. If nobody else write it, then I probably will. Will our generation produce literary masterpieces like the past? I don't know, in all likelihood probably not, but we won't know until we collectively start writing to see how good or bad it is. I'm nothing special yet, but I get great enjoyment in writing, and look forward to trying non-fiction. I think I have the potential for writing remarkable books. I've already been told by some (not family; people I only met AFTER they read my books) that I'm a great writer so that's very nice.

Hows it feel to be so hip and cool? When do you turn 19?

Millenials are the generation born between 1977 to 1995, so unless you are superyoung or superold you are probably a millenial. 22-40 years old. It's a shit generation all of it and the only use it has is to be used as a bad example.

The younger one, Generation Z in comparison is redpilled because they saw how unhappy and shitty millennials were, and are looking back into tradition to escape from it, hopefully something good can be made of them.

>Mass immigration is an economic problem caused by cheap labour being necessary to keep western economies in motion.
that's just a meme, it may be true for the US that immigrants actually work, but in europe they only get gibs and they will never have a job or keep anything in motion.

>amount of great literary works has decreased when compared to a century ago

No it hasn't. You just think so because you're standing on the shoulders of 100 years of literary criticism which has already done the work of filtering the great works and putting them on your Veeky Forums entry-level modernism chart. In another hundred years people will be saying exactly what you're saying today.

>nobody reads or writes anymore

This is a common misconception of undergrad lit and english majors--that they're the last of a dying breed. It's a completely masturbatory opinion. The other day i was talking to a young professor of astrophysics who told me he was memorizing the first book of WW's Prelude. My artist friend reads Chaucer and Faulkner in her spare time. People read--you just don't see it, or don't want to see it.

>"sigh i was born in the wrong generation" the thread

the race of "men" disappeared after millennials were born.

now we have trannies, HRT, and rupi kaur

Unironically DFW, Franzen, and Knausgaard. These are among the most popular writers at my school. People have conversations about them.

Illegal immigrants cost the American government about $100 billion dollars in benefits each year

>largest national economy
>just a meme
Europoor pls leave

>he thinks neoliberalism failed

Oh user, it did precisely what it was supposed to do. It fulfilled its purposely beautifully.

>conceives of the whole world through memes
Regardless of politics this is the millenial problem

>Blaming specific groups of people for structural problems is a time-honored defense of capital interests (see: fascism).

You see, I'm sympathetic to anti-capitalism. but when I hear the term "structural problems" I simply cringe. What is a society? Thatcher famously said that "There is no such thing as a society, there are individual men and women.". She was half-right. Society exists, but so do individuals.

When one points to "structural problems" like "institutional racism", they simply point to sociological abstractions and never anything concrete. What is to be said about about the structural nature of society when you can't even point at anything tangible?

I'm ultimately a Maistrean. I believe that a nation's constitution is written into the hearts of all men, and that the nature of their government will naturally reflect the character of that constitution. This is a mystical concept. It is not meant to be derived a priori via reason. If one wants to criticise the "structural problems" of a that constitution, you must point directly at the people of the nation who bear that constitution and the sovereignty under-which they are governed (most commonly a parliament or a mixture of judiciary/legislature and executive).

When we grow up
We become the problem
The new generation blames
We can only remember
The adivce our fathers gave us
And how we dismissed it in our own need for self discovery

The greatists generation blamed the civil war and depression
The beatniks blamed the greatists generation for being imperialist
The yuppies blamed the hippies for being too idealistic
The millenials blamed the yuppies for not being aware enough
And this new generation is blaming us for not using our awareness enough.

I think it was Alistair Crowley that said the duty of every new religion that ushers in an age, is to demonize the previous one.

I can kind of see the point made by Honestly if the person didnt write some political fluff piece when it comes to 'great works' you hear the names of directors,playwrights,musicians, and cartoonists and comic book writers

The truly great works of the millenial generation probably wont come to the surface for 50 or so years. Becuase everything thats genuine seems to get buried under all the political agenda.

Millenial here. (Born in '93)

>Most Millenials are hedonistic, middle class, addicted to browsing social media on their smartphones, and just plain ordinary.

Wow, what a hot take on a generation. I'm sure your opinion was totally informed by spending lots of time with real millenials from a variety of backgrounds, and not from you seeing portrayals in the media of what 30 and 40 somethings think of what the kids are up to these days. Yeah we get it, for at least the last five years everything from late night hosts to local newspaper articles to TV commercial has had their hacky "those crazy millenials and their smartphones, huh?" punchlines. This is an accurate observation, but it's tired and not that important. Millenials aren't some alien cyborg race, we go to school and work just like you. We fucking do stuff outside too you moron, you just don't know about what people my age did yet because you're not there and nobody's written a popular book about any of it yet.

Despite what you've seen on TV, not all millenials are priveleged white kids from the suburbs. It's ignorant to think that the current millenial archetype on a sitcom or commericial is accurate at all, as if there aren't millions of millenial rednecks, hood rats, or whatever kind of person you can think of.

>No events have defined nor influenced said generation. At best, the one event in recent memory that comes to mind is the past U.S. election--and that dead horse is still being beaten, to the point that it has now become trite.

9/11
The Iraq and Afghanistan wars
The Great Recession
First black president

>With so many indistinguishable Millenials, incidentally, how do you perceive the future of literature?

Do you know how ignorant and out of touch you sound man? Do you think this opinion could possibly be because you're personally unable to understand today's young people and you aren't trying very hard? Don't you ever think about how people have always viewed the generation after them as a bunch of faggy little sissies that are always using that damned newfnagled radio/television/video game/smartphone, and how they're always enevtually proved to be a bunch of cranky old farts who have no idea what they're talking about?

You sound like some mid to late 30 something who hates millenials because our video game consoles and cartoons are different from the ones you had as a kid and how lame and gay that must make us. Because nothing says "mature" like being proud of being older than other people, most of us moved on from that after elementary school.

Suck my millenial balls you old faggot, why don't you go watch some shitty 30 year old sitcom I've never heard of

We're not. Every other generation was exactly the same.

Stop trying to fit in with the 35 year old neckbeards repeating stale memes about those damn kids these days

You sound really unintelligent

>First black president
Not a notable event.

>I'm ultimately a Maistrean. I believe that a nation's constitution is written into the hearts of all men, and that the nature of their government will naturally reflect the character of that constitution. This is a mystical concept. It is not meant to be derived a priori via reason. If one wants to criticise the "structural problems" of a that constitution, you must point directly at the people of the nation who bear that constitution and the sovereignty under-which they are governed (most commonly a parliament or a mixture of judiciary/legislature and executive)

Lol. There's no reason to drift into the mystical realm you did. Yes, institutions are a reflection of the people who build them or are in control of them, but this can be explained in simple racial terms.

Look at the west's once prosperous but now failing institutions. This is a direct reflection of whites no longer being in control of them after ceding power to jews. This is why those institutions now reflect the jewish mind and soul: authoritarian, full of lies, and by and large dysfunctional. It's important to remember that jews destroy everything.

checked

I hope this is the last generation that lives easy lives of plenty. I hope by the time they reach true adulthood their fates take a turn for the worst and they won't have time to create any literature because they'll be fighting to survive in whatever dystopia de jour mankind's folly has created.

>this can be explained in simple racial terms.

Only in a crude differential sense. I'm more interested in how the constitution of a Frenchman differs to an Englishmen.

yeah i cant find anything about him. i think he meant Mark Proust. I found his linkedin, nothing impressive, so idk

It's not crude at all since it's their similarity that is most notable in comparison. Look at, say, an Israeli, whose nation doesn't even have a constitution.

>he thinks I'm talking about written constitutions.

Ok you have no clue what I am talking about.

lol look he fell for the bait

No ... you don't know what you're talking about. But that much was obvious from your initial post.

Senor you buy toilet paper...good price for you

Just wait until I finish my book.

Any other arguments against what I said?

It was a pretty big deal here in America

No, we just aren't fucking burgers. You're absolutely delusional.
>THIS THING HAPPENED TO US AND IT LIKE TOTALLY CHANGED THE WORLD ;C

I'm a Canuck, one who used to be very anti-American. 9/11 exposed Islamic terror to the world, lead to the Afghan War which went on for about 13 long years as I recall, and the subsequent 'War on Terror' also lead to the Iraq War to get 'Weapons of Mass-Destruction' (Must have been term of the day for near on half a decade) which they never did find. The Iraq War and the execution of Saddam Hussein lead to a destabilization in the region allowing ISIS to gain influence just like Hitler gained influence with his Nazi Party after the suffering of Germany post-Treaty of Versaille.

There's also been a massive amount of emigration from affected wartorn nations resulting in a huge rise in Muslim population of western nations like France, Germany, Sweden, UK, US, and Canada. To varying degrees it has lead to a sharp spike in Islamic-fueled terrorist attacks as well as raping of white women by these refugees, especially in Sweden. These are issues that the left regularly blind themselves to, basically putting their fingers in their ears and repeating "Religion of peace, religion of peace, religion of peace. Lalalala I can't hear you; religion of peace."

France has elected a President whom I understand wishes to bring in even MORE refugees, and sadly here in Canuckistan we have Trudeau j.r. (I did not vote for him, but I DID vote) who likewise wants to bring in all the refugees he can by the looks of it, so France and Canada are now being used as petri-dishes. If we end up with more terrorist attacks and rapes, which has been France, UK's, and Sweden's experience, then it confirms what Conservatives have been observing. Likewise if you look to Japan and Poland, they are not suffering similar problems, because their border control is very tight and restrictive. I hope I'm wrong, and somehow France and Canada ends up with 'good' Muslims (basically moderate non-devout ones) and 'good' refugees (the non-homocidal, non-western-hating, and non-rapey ones), so as to not suffer. Unfortunately, I do not think this will be the result, and I fear for my countrymen, the women in particular. I think Canada needs our own version of Trump. Sort of like a Stephen Harper, but a lot louder and with no fucks to give for speaking his mind. Seriously though, Trump ought to ease back on the tweeting. Freedom of speech and all, I support his right to tweet, but I think it would be in his best interest not to.

Trump has my respect, though. He is EXACTLY what America needs, and the rest of the west need someone like him as well.