Why were the Sophists so unfairly maligned now that we know they were right?

Why were the Sophists so unfairly maligned now that we know they were right?

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It's weird how closely sophists resemble postmodernists.

this, so much this

so the platonists are the alt-right?

They didnt have a clear stance in any field.

More like center-right conservatives. Jordan Peterson would've been a Platonist.

sophists were literally proto deleuze & guattari

if they were alive today, they'd be travelling to brazil to offer to teach hue trannies how to bullshit

> tips little boy

confirmed for never having read The Laws, which is just a re-writing of The Republic to include a staunchly anti-homosexuality stance

the alt-right are center-right

maybe because the sophists alone dont run and rule society, platonism maybe was just a theory and some ways to look at the world from a certain perspective that could be helpful in ways, sophists are the good and necessary citizens, but as we know of in propaganda and click bait and think pieces and the news, we can maybe imagine it possible the amount of lies and half truths captured and displayed in the averages and above averages and towns folk and common folk and maybe some professors even.

Maybe its that, platonism attempts to just go higher, and consider everything, I mean is this just the essence of philosophy, against a lack of philosophy, and philosophy potentially having to do with how everything fits together and attempting to, at least generally, understand a bit of everything.

My guess anyway.

Weaklings can not deal with reality so they need nonsense memes.

See Nietzsche, Jordan Peterson, the list goes on.

Please, use intellectual bait next time. This isn't /v/, /tv/ or any other of the popular genre fiction boards

I wonder how many of the sophists were jews or were being influenced by jews, since postmodernism is a predominantly jewish-driven phenomenon, to the point where it is now practically a mirrored reflection of their nature.

t. weakling

*tears your walls down*
What now puppies?

C'mon, you can't even manage sophistry. Here is my suggestion: lurk and read, you're not ready to be an active member of the board yet.

Someone needs to re-read Phaedrus.

that's all you've got? weak.

>tfw the history of philosophy was a mistaken detour of 2500 years

literally no argument whatsoever

It is mostly an exaggeration you see on Veeky Forums. Socrates just wanted to help the sophists.

ITS NOT WEIRD YOU FUCKING RETARDS, NIETZSCHE WAS A CLASSICIST AND HE GOT HIS PHILOSOPHY FROM THEM FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Jordan Peterson would have been a dirt farmer.

Sophists were basically the PUA of their time. Their whole concept was teaching people how to lie, it's why sophistry was considered a cancer across the whole of the Mediterranean, not just Athens, and it made people hate Athens for defending them.

This is pretty dumb, to be honest. PUA is more of a natural response to female hypergamy caused by feminism -- fighting nature with nature -- so really nothing like the sophists since the mating game is and always has been about lying to some degree. And I'm not saying that as a PUA apologist.

The sophist's tactics do, however, closely resemble those jews use today in our societies. This struck me a couple years ago but I never looked into it. I'd be willing to bet that there was a intricate connection between the sophists and ancient jewry. You see the same strategy of agitation over and over wherever they go.

I thought sophistry was kind of in at least one sense, making an imperfect argument?

I wouldn't argue, and don't think I am, that it's not.

>*tips little boy*

Legitimate concern.
A few pointers.
>Jews hate divine values; they prefer 'the law' - an algorithm to 'use' God; the error of Job and pharisees
>They hate them so much they waged war against the Greeks because Greeks liked beauty
>By the time of Christ, Jewish synagogues were in nearly every Greek city (NT)
>The Jews had enough power to have the Greeks kill Christians if they so wanted (and many did)
>There was a blood and diplomatic connection between Abraham and Spartans.
Probably the reason why Sparta became the feminist utopia with infanticide, total female ownership, one alpha male [the king], extremely expendable and physically fit males, weird rape laws (marriage is illegal for men under 30, as is sex - so long as you don't get caught), cuckolding traditions etc.
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>The cultural connection of pilpul to all this

So much this. The pursuit of rationality instead of wisdom has brought us nothing but the prospect of extinction.

You can ask for sources of wisdom all you wish, but you'll never get it unless you ask it of yourself.
The masses have always hated philosophers, but philosophies and ideals guide them like they were TV propaganda.

The post-modernists were right about everything. However their findings were uncomfortable. No one likes being told that what they are putting so much passion into is just a linguistic conquest or that absolute truth on ANYTHING will at best never be known and at worst doesn't even exist.

Take the existence of God. On one hand you have theologians that have argued for it for centuaries and devoted their whole to studying the concept, people that have literally genocided over it or cut off their own dick. On the other hand you have radical atheists which are equally zealous against the concept.

Than a sophist shows up and tells both them that the existence of God can never be proven or disproven and that he is a radical agnostic. Than just when the two are about to put aside their differences to strangle the sophist Derida shows up and explains to all 3 of them not only can you not prove or disprove God but you can't even define God in any meaningful way. Than Wittgenstein shows up quips in that language that it is not even possible to construct a language that could define God. Also you can't disprove their statements because nothing can be proven to be true in the first place.

Do you see now why Plato literally wrote fanfictions about Sophists getting BTFO by Socrates?

>The post-modernists were right about everything.
Their conclusions are absurd, especially by their findings. Well, I guess hell has to be populated by somebody.

>Than a sophist shows up and tells both them that the existence of God can never be proven or disproven
Can axioms be proven? Or proof itself? Proof is not God. It's not the primary lense of your life. Only a fraction of contexts you visit.

try for just one moment to step out of the stupid locality of your backwater 21st century existence and see history

>Pushing historical context in postmodern era
Wew. It's like you ignore the uprooting of western youth.
Main component? Public education and state controlled media. Self building and propelling kamikaze factory.
Of course, technology plays a part in it as well, but without the uprooting, these assets would have been purposed for different causes.

incoherent

This might come as a shock to your pent-up undropped testicles, user, but the sole purpose of this board is not to have fights.

Well I ought to go to bed.
I like to ramble incoherently, however. It gives me, chaos and 'the other' some leeway to have more there than the mere conscious intent.

Western youth has been uprooted from history, culture, tradition, religion, God. Uprooted individuals flock together on arbitrary whims. Here it is our 'keen interest on this subject', or claimed.
This isn't the limit of it, on either front.

The uprooting was a process where western intellectual elite was memed by Soviet collaborators and KGB agents. They taught more and more socialist paradigm onto their societies. Former maoists in EU lobbies, parliaments, commission, State media, corporate media, unions, teachers...
They try to replicate themselves via children and minds.
They succeed at some, but the children are not stupid so they question more. So taboos are broken on all fronts. Taboos are there for a reason. Porn ruins healthy relationships. An adventure without exploration?

>Why were the Christians so unfairly maligned now that we know they were right?
ftfy

Pythagoras and the Buddha lived during the same time period and came up with incredibly similar philosophies/monastic sects

the division between "eastern" and "western" thought was pretty negligible during this time, we've pretty much come full circle now and returned back to classical/"eastern" ideas

The Ideal is in spite of the Material, not because of it.