Future Philosophy

somehow the only strain i could imagine is a better 'revealing' of post modernism. its the age of knowing what has been. what people have not known existed in contrast to what people accepted blindly under swarms of dead discourse on celebrity media, pop culture, mainstream propaganda. the new word for trend is leaks. so if peterson is his own retelling of post modernism as the left has their own retelling, there should be more philosophical retellings that isnt meme cancer.

someone fight me on this: 'the fusion of politics and the fantasy genre is post-modern'

>think less kewl deleuzo-guattarian psychedlic landscapes and more 600$ juicers with internet connectivity.

this is why despite all their post-representational quackery deleuze and guattari are still totally subsumed under lacan in that they have to return to either university or hysterical discourse for subject-centered structure. If you could really get the "I" out of Anti-Oedipus (and lord knows their dense text-ure of quotation and omnipresent "nous" goes far in that direction) you would end up with a text way more about juicers than about sunbeams in Schreber's anus. what D&G probably could not shake is thinking all the jouissance pumped out of trinket spinner factories in taiwan would be exciting, whereas the truth is that commodities are mostly junk you, the subject of value, expect to be cool.

>think less kewl deleuzo-guattarian psychedlic landscapes and more 600$ juicers with internet connectivity
pic rel. good lord how pic rel. i realize now why i spend so much time thinking about noir fiction. b/c staring into the abyss isn't a view of the inferno as painted by gustav dore, it's gazing into the homemade MLP-doll porn staged by some 400-pound fat guy in new jersey

>late capitalism is a flimsy simulacrum
flimsy tho it may be, it still sells chicken wings.

>someone fight me on this: 'the fusion of politics and the fantasy genre is post-modern'
would much prefer you just explained what you meant by that instead. i was just talking about the genie from aladdin earlier this morning and i thought i was on to something interesting. talk about that stuff user

>the only strain i could imagine is a better 'revealing' of post modernism. its the age of knowing what has been.

That's jewish wizard Walter Benjamin

>the fusion of politics and the fantasy genre is post-modern'
no its fucking gay. neoliberal normies love game of thrones because it is a more entertaining version of their actual, amoral but mind numbingly banal lives.

the consolidation of "genre" as a selected form of art production instead of an organic form of artistic emergence is a postmodern phenomenon; the reduction of the meaning of the term to "index of thematic content" (the move from novel as genre to sci-fi as genre, in other words) is only the latest result of this simulacral procession. now i'm fairly certain you have fantasy sub-genres as well. sci-fi about robots versus sci-fi about aliens. isn't it odd that cultural production seems to mimic marketing demographics more and more? or is it the other way around? in this sense, opera is the first postmodern art: it was made up by some people who thought it was missing (who thought it would sell) in the 1500s.

Ain't this just Buddhism?

media ecology makes philosophy obsolete

>circle jerking psuedo-intellectual hedonists mentally-masturbating over how meaningless and useless trains of thoughts make them feel

are there any actual human beings here?

>media ecology
>MacLuhanism

not even once. read heidegger and marx.

>he doesn't love the smell of napalm in the morning

>are there any actual human beings here?
there are precious few actual human beings anywhere.

so maybe? what's here are a bunch of chill anons who read too much & would like to be less fucked up the impossible pressure of being actual human beings in a world manifestly bent on turning itself into a demented thought-experiment for capitalism & retardation

>hedonism
not so much. try paranoia

>blaming capitalism for the world's problems
So... no

read kittler

>blaming capitalism for the world's problems

read the thread. read the other threads. read the thousand and one nick land threads up until now. it's not about blaming capitalism; that is exactly the hurdle that we are looking at here. capitalism is the default condition now.

meme: blaming capitalism for the world's problems
meme: blaming people who blame capitalism for the world's problems
not meme: uh

this is what we are talking about. the mechanosphere, among other things. deleuze wasn't Blaming Capitalism For the World's Problems. he understood it metaphysically. and much else besides that. land isn't Blaming Capitalism for the World's Problems. with him it's the opposite: in fact he's *blaming the world for capitalism's problems.* interesting, no?

and *any number* of other interesting possibilities. all very much in play. one way or another we have to live with it. and for some folks, living means thinking, and over-thinking, and thinking into black holes, and who the fuck knows what else.

if it's not your bag it's not your bag. but it is a deep bag, and there are all kinds of interesting things in it.

What you guys think of OOO?
larvalsubjects.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/a-psychoanalytic-defense-of-realism/#more-2716

not quite sure yet thats why i need some flyting.

i guess i need to roll in the bejamins. neoliberals like GoT without knowing it teaches them the values of 'the right' as they have been taught to supress and lo an behold they get a weekly release of that. in a postpostmodern kind of way theres a symbiosis of politics as lets say a global family of post freudian oprhans with dad or mom issues wanting for a bedtime fantasy story.

in debords recuperation its the market swallowing the art as its own new force of swallowing. right, but lets say cave paintings, arent they depictions of the 'market' as a family of hunters would make of it? i guess im talking about less of the genre and more of fantasy as the 'cave painting' the 'tales of the times'. pretty good picture with this topic . wouldnt politics as cavemen be the heat of the sun and hunger? their cave paintings as console to the guilt they feel about hacking an animal disembowling it and munching away. is advertising our console for the collective genocidal guilt as humans?
i dont know...

Have you cleaned your room today?

>see j-pete
>*sweats*
>*lights cigarette*
>turns on interrogation hi-beams on himself
>ties himself to chair
>begins confessing

fuck man, no, i haven't. well i mean i kind of have. look, it's like you say, with self-authoring. you know that self-authoring, right? okay, well, here's the problem: i've been obsessing over the monomyth for years. for years and years. i mean before i knew you were a guy, j-pete. i mean this goes back years.

so i mean i get what you're saying. except that, i mean, i feel as though, sometimes, uh, i've got, like, multiple selves. and they all sort of overlap and criss-cross with each other. it's all in this huge novel i'm working on. you're going to hate it. except i want you to love it. i really do. but you won't. because i read too many Bloody NeoMarxist Postmodern Nihilists and now they all live in a dilapidated hotel in my mind. with like thirty other guys.

so i'm working on it. that's what i call cleaning my room. and i talk to people on Veeky Forums. i know it doesn't count. i praise you a lot. no, i know that's not good enough. yes, you're right. i should be using speech properly. no, i mean, uh, yes. yes. yes. yes of course you're right, j-pete. yes. i will. yes. no i mean it this time. yes i'll definitely clean it. yes. okay? i just need a little more time. i'm almost finished. it's almost done. almost.

*phew*

ok. is he gone? i think he's gone.

man, that guy's like the fucking Grand Inquisitor or something sometimes.

>tfw this post is honest af and clearly indicates an uncleaned room. or, quite possibly, the need for an entirely new residence prior to said cleaning

>tfw cleaning your room fucks up your routine
I need to get a fucking job. Goddamn.

There are some interesting ideas in this thread.

I think the only way to really predict the future trends of philosophy are to observe them as they happen.

gotta clean your room so you develop a relationship with every object in your room so you have total mastery over your own space. Then you'll want to branch out more being unsatisfied with the lack of chaos and stimulus in your room so you'll go out and (get a job), then you make friends at your job or learn how to make friends at your job and make friends at your second job, then you socially network from those friends to interact with a spectrum of people from which all your literature prowess can finally have meaning because you can talk to them and influence them as they influence you. You need to go to the gym so your social autism power level is under good control so you don't sperg out like you're doing in your posts so you don't just completely spill your sphaghetti all over the place when you talk about your literary ideas to other people protips free of charge. And then the people you influence in a positive fashion will be more likely to influence others in a positive fashion and you're only 6 degrees from morgan freeman or whatever, that's how you make the world a better place. Or a worse place, depending on how negative or positive an influence you are on others

>but lets say cave paintings, arent they depictions of the 'market' as a family of hunters would make of it?
bataille lost his shit over the cave paintings in lascaux. probably campbell too. had to be something there.

>their cave paintings as console to the guilt they feel about hacking an animal disembowling it and munching away. is advertising our console for the collective genocidal guilt as humans?
i dont know...

me neither. i fucking hope not. it's def possible that the cavemen were just as mediocre and fucked up as people today. kind of a mega-downer to think about.

there's got to be something about seeing it in person, tho. or of imagining what it would have been like to paint those things, for the first time, millions of years ago. or even just perhaps to feel some kind of weird connection with the cavemen who painted them, way back when. the idea that for all of this things *haven't* changed, so much. an encounter with one's own primitivism, i guess. or maybe that feeling you get when you come back from a camping trip and see all the ridiculous unreality of modern electrical civilization. that too.

there's a baudrillard line about this:
>the skylines lit up at dead of night, the air-conditioning systems cooling empty hotels in the desert, and artificial light in the middle of the day all have something both demented and admirable about them the mindless luxury of a rich civilization, and yet of a civilization perhaps as scared to see the lights go out as was the hunter in his primitive night.

>ou need to go to the gym so your social autism power level is under good control so you don't sperg out like you're doing in your posts so you don't just completely spill your sphaghetti all over the place when you talk about your literary ideas to other people protips free of charge
truth.

>And then the people you influence in a positive fashion will be more likely to influence others in a positive fashion and you're only 6 degrees from morgan freeman or whatever, that's how you make the world a better place
truth.

> Or a worse place, depending on how negative or positive an influence you are on others
truth.

>And then the people you influence in a positive fashion will be more likely to influence others in a positive fashion
this once more with feeling tho.

it's not about class consciousness at all. or being a fuckhead name-dropping sperg. it really is just about positive effect, no meme excuses, no chicanery. maybe that is what makes the world a better place. sounds about right.

shit i come to hear, user. thank ye kindly for saying it so well.

kek and i clearly picked the most perfect picture ever to go with it

meant to post this instead

too good

>One World Under Capital
Capital will dissolve in segmented accelerated areas while resource is traded for legitimate reasons. Capital = communicating a legitimised symbol of value. One world under valued. My two cents. Nothing of worth here. But read the fine print, the code beyond the letters speaks as though from a stone piled tomb. A spirit I call forth is named Asinine and given a job to do so that I may get back inside my body and go to sleep. Then i dream of:

Pragmatism, learned judgement, scepticism.

The new gods teach us how to dance again. We call them discoveries, become perplexed when we can not make them more efficient, then enter the void, hoping for the gods to call once more to us.

Five different Alexander's continuously playing a game with each other, praising Aristotle, while Phyrro does the real dirty work. And praise be on he who, in an infinitely small moment, cannot move out of the way of the cart. You are calm, you are tranquil. You can go no further. You are only human.

Deep Ecology

Stop one's self. Step on you foot, stamp on it. Stop. Now dig a hole and plant your foot. Let it's roots grow. Let the sense of your own individualism be necessitated on your groundedness. Live within that system, that sacred being that cannot even meet the blasphemy of name - because that is to separate it with your humanness, to make it as assessable as a tool.

Intrinsic vs instrumental value.
Personhood inverted, negating human life.
Lovely day for a stroll, don't you think?

Ah!
heise.de/tp/features/Hegel-is-dead-3392030.html

We really oughta burn all libraries, eh?

>it is not a bad thing to be a failed artist, it just tells us something about our disciplinary society and our world. Kittler was just honest not only to himself when he reminded us that most of the professors in literature are failed poets, most of the cultural theoreticians and critics are more or less failed artists or unhappy curators, and most of the professors in philosophy probably never had a chance to become "real" philosophers.

>Kittler - as he described himself - was entirely Pythagorean. That is the school he claimed to be in. That this type of "ideal" thinking has been overcome - just a bit more than two-hundred years ago - did not bother him. It just happened that he eventually lectured on the Dionysian aspects of Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, or on Pink Floyd. He did not write songs - as far as I know - but he played saxophone to us, his students and followers, especially when he wanted to ease our souls at his house. Thus, in a way, in his demonic way, he - not on stage, but on campus - was a singer, too.

this. this speaks volumes to me. it's easy to get art mixed up with philosophy; indeed, it's arguably necessary. feels > reals. so now what i like is this idea of some kind of separation, but that doesn't immediately regress into dualism, but a kind of a conscientious holism.

i got into this mess by trying to figure out philosophical fiction, and failing, repeatedly. i failed enough to wind up reading a sizeable chunk of the canon just to be able to finish a fucking writing project. and now i realize that there *is* no fucking other, that virtue matters, and all the rest. it just does. not because reasons. but because anything other than a one-world system is an offense to thought.

philosophy and analysis are good for helping people un-fail, i think. so that they can make art or do whatever the fuck they need to do to be happy and make some positive impact on the world (). but inevitably i submit that the art thereby produced will be philosophical in nature, and is going to lead on to new and interesting stuff for philosophers &c. and so it goes: art, science, philosophy. the letter, the number, the symbol. all connected, all interwoven. an enlightened culture produces enlightened individuals, and enlightened individuals, *more* enlightened individuals. just a good look all round.

>Capital will dissolve in segmented accelerated areas while resource is traded for legitimate reasons. Capital = communicating a legitimised symbol of value'
yup
one part of a global brain sends signals to another

>One world under valued.
massively.

>Asinine
am i missing something? sounds cool to me

>Stop one's self.
this.

>asinine
sorry, misread. dumb as rocks today for some reason. should edit & should sleep. catch thread in the morning.

You imagine me to be someone that is a fiction that I've created, and you want me to what, jump in hoops that you've marked? This is the second age of orality, and I've yet to be confronted by one voice of reason. None shy away from breaking my privacy, yet all shy away from me telling them about the first time I looked into the sun.

Shame!

Neo-Romanticsm or bust

Neo-romanticism and bust down the door and eat all the chickens.

Philosophy needs to be overhauled. Everybody is a fucking Platonist still. Everybody still demands that philosophy be about 'MUH TROOF'.

You wrote a list of garbage philosophers, and deemed them 'relevant' when really they are only relevant to the garbage man. Who pays the bills?

The greatest achievement philosophy will ever reach is executing its own death. At that moment, humanism and all other horrid memes will be flushed, lost with the gators.

>Neo-Romanticsm or bust

is this not vaporwave tho? i am legit no-joke as fascinated now by vaporwave as i have been with any art/music movement in a long time & basically since ever. it is legit fascinating stuff, when the memes turn dark and go the other way.
>and i must thank anons ITT for waking me up to this

if you look at the world through rand's view you get ideology. if you look at ayn rand through a postmodern filter you get irony. if you take another lens of irony and look through that, you get a romanticized real (itself romantic at first) which is simply skeptical about irony itself; so skeptical, in fact, that it comes to prefer the illusion, but of course is too alienated to believe in anything without illusion...and so understands itself as being inseparably bound up & dependent on illusion for perception at all...

and thus enters a kind of *seductive fatalism,* and baudrillard, and all the rest of it. who was a superb romantic. i would fucking shit bricks to know what baudrillard would have thought. i can guess. still tho.

neo-romanticism looks like the purples and pinks to me. but of course to immediately take the next logical step and go full-blown deus vult would *also* be a mistake, because this would be in some sense a betrayal of art itself. and that is our thing today. super-aestheticized in a feels > reals world.

it's not that anything has to be done with politics, because politics is always going to come up empty. it's about understanding the process by which art comes to explain the world so clearly to itself. which is going to take a long, long time. maybe it's all a voyage into narcissism, but a kind of enlightened narcissism, in a way. we're all narcissists here now. that's what tech is: simulation.

>Everybody still demands that philosophy be about 'MUH TROOF'
wtf? i doubt any of us are hardened platonists here. this is way more a nietzsche & company party.

>Who pays the bills?
it's like you guys don't even read the damn threads or something. capital my guy. everybody knows this. capital pays its own bills and we live in its dream sequence.

>The greatest achievement philosophy will ever reach is executing its own death.
sounds very 20C. we undead transsexuals now.

>At that moment, humanism and all other horrid memes will be flushed, lost with the gators.
deleuze was not a humanist.

>Philosophy needs to be overhauled.
this is pretty good tho.

>one part of a global brain sends signals to another
while the wraiths feed off the noise within the signal, producing an increasingly fractured subconscious - and, at break, the world becomes more human in one sigh. It begins to laugh again at the starry eyed philosophers who have gone mad from boredom.

That day, a great joke is made.
youtube.com/watch?v=sdWGlJrG6sQ

>wtf? i doubt any of us are hardened platonists here. this is way more a nietzsche & company party.
Every Nietzsche fanboy completely misunderstood Nietzsche and is still falling for grEEK memes.

>I don't know anything about philosophy so it should die

end this pain

>Everybody is a fucking Platonist still.

that's the problem with "starting with the greeks" you make the same assumptions and mistakes as every other asshole for the last 2000 years

>Every Nietzsche fanboy completely misunderstood Nietzsche and is still falling for grEEK memes.
that's because nietzsche is a fucking spectacularly interesting man and anyone who claims they understand him perfectly is a fucking retard.

deleuze tho. and guattari. they had a pretty good idea of what did he mean by this. and having read them i think that interpretation kicks some major fucking ass. so does land. his interpretations of D&G scary as shit.

there's not a whole lot of platonism going on in capitalism & schizophrenia. or in heidegger. or, for that matter, in lacan. which is where all of these conversations are proceeding from, in one form or another.

capitalism & schizophrenia, territorialization, the BwO, has *nothing* to do with plato. zero.

>Everybody is a fucking Platonist still.

You clearly care more about new emerging trends than actual philosophy. Do you even read?

I know more than you.
Delusion.

'actual philosophy' isn't Platonism. Platonism is a meme cult.
Even mere novelty is better than LARPing.

So I was right in assuming that you don't actually read then.

>upset platonist

>myopic little tyke who likes to bluff his way through shit

>tyke
Fucker you're 20 at best like the rest of this juice-loving board.

I wish. Chances are I am far older and far sadder than you are.

You're still half a mong, though. If you seriously think you've finally moved past Plato just stop reading because you're super shit at it.

You keep at it, stevia-snorter.

>talk shit with zero intention of defending claim
>this is your brain on mysticism
>this is your brain on feels

What a zany hyphen game on display.

You're quite a card.

>defending
>le 'mysticism is bad' meme
>le 'emotions are bad because i have autism' meme
What the hell are you babbling about? That's how compound words are built.

>trying to downplay your doofy hyphen antics now

wew.

Do you think attacks on character are a good way to support yourself, my guy?
Oh but thats all you were ever about, huh?

Why would I care about supporting myself?

What we need to carry out a grand syncretic project is a format, some protocol for discourse that can be to philosophy what tcp/ip is to the internet. A post-post-structuralist movement that doesnt ignore the critique of the arbitrariness, but subsumes it in itself as part of this endeavor, making it basically an aesthetic design project.

The rough sketch in my head is based on argument networks (though Im not married to the idea), in a social networking sphere where people can affirm/deny statements or delegate, which makes possible a total integration of philosophy, science, justice systems and parliamentary or constitutional politics

Shut. Up. Alex.

Gawd!

Boooooooo

Rei Koz, Ghiokman and Icycalm laid the foundations

Relevant?
>Thacker
>Sloterdijk
>Zizek
>Compagnon
>De Man
>Haraway
>Foessel
>Bartlett
>Carruthers
>Noys
>Negarestani
>Meillassoux
>Seel
>Jay
>Perniola
>Ligotti
>Ronell
>Rorty
>Eagleton
>Beuchot
>Marder
>Harmann
>Gadamer
>Roger Brandom
>Labov
>Stalnaker

The new canon?

The list from above, doesn't include much of the "analytic", mostly because that debate, and also the Postmodernism one are quite obsolete in the same sense as the querelle about where's the place of the soul or if the characterology as in Weininger is worthy anymore.
As I can recall:

>Mostly focused in literature (In the sense that it's no longer systematise as in; Eagleton and Compagnon or even George Steiner, Jameson)
>Have take a leap from knowing that the attribution to certain tesis it is arbitrary, all the Speculative stuff today (From Saussure and the arbitrary of the sign, Foucault and the arbitrary of the discourse, Lacan as well with the logic, and finally Derrida -nonetheless none of them were anti-realistic)
>The Aesthetics of politics and the politics of aesthetics (for instance the vein that runs from Duchamp and nowadays in the art, and if the aesthetics can shape society or if any cultural product can be "read" as a symptom or make a diagnoses around it, as in, the hermeneutic tradition and the Frankfurt School, from Adorno and Benjamin to the 4th generation (Rainer Frost) also the generation between them)
>The people who theorise about the media or technology [implying modernity] here we can sum it all the ecologist and other thinkers as Marder, Haraway, Arne Naes, Zapffe, Krishnamurti and the whole pessimism school as a reaction (McLuhan, again Adorno, Debord, Didi-Huberman but some authors approach to Heidegger and his notion of technique and became a little bit paranoids about the implication of it, and there you have, Baudrillard, and the hipermordenism or hiperrealism, geology of the media, the history of the cloud, Nick Bostrom, etc.)
>After Marx and the Neue Marx-Lektüre (as the opponents of the capitalism, usually they think of themselves as quite militant and materialists sometimes from the Left as Backhaus, Onfray, Zizek Noys)
>The tabula rasa that goes with the hermeneutics and existencialist legacy (that somehow became an onthology), of them whom cannot say if a chair is sentient and there you have all the OOO, and the democracy of objects, you can see some of the early thinking of this in Simondon, and Soriau in the modal existence of the objects, and the fabrique of existance

>I might be adding the theory-fiction as in Negarestani, Ligotti, that in some sense is a poststructuralism moment where there's no reason at all to think that there's a reality that cannot be manufacture, but there's some avant la lettre authors as in Thomas Carlyle, Carlos Castañeda, Rabelais and the lecture that goes with Bajtin.
>Modalism, those who think that it cannot be a further criteria and all reduces to do analysis inside the language

>Modalism, we can sum, Beuchot with Analogy, Labov to applied linguistics, Robert* Brandom with modal pragmatics, Stalnaker with modal semantics De Man with his rethorical approach, Blumenberg with his Metaphorology, Foessel, and Hayden White somehow add some of the previous with narratology in one case to the notion of discourse and the other to historiographie
>A psychological approach to philosophy, as in Bartlett and Ronell mainly

I know that I'm leaving aside, many fields but if you ask me I think the analytic nowadays is just merely mathematics of the field of neurosciences doesn't allow a further investigation without posing as a postmodernist or something like the Sokal affairs, there're some "methodologists" that are trying to impulse the philosophy (or sociology) as a science, but them projects can't take off without being diminished, in one hand by Gadamer and the whole notion of Method and in other by science itself, in this attempts we got, Bunge, Luhman, and Morin.
Feminism as I see it is a Marxist lecture (nowadays) , with some theological shades same goes for Decolonialism and the latin american thought with the analectical school as the same with Fanon, and Butler, maybe also Scherer, and like always there some philosophers that limits themselves to just make companions or books with titles as, The World Beneath the Eyes, that deals with some topics as the liberty, the willing, the love, the soul, the conscious etc.

Also, someone knows authors like:
>Cioran
>Caraco
>Ligotti
>Mainländer
>Zapffe
>Percy Walker
>Foster Wallace
>Thomas Carlyle

or any underdog, "radical" thinker or uncommon thinker?

What do you lads think about metamodernism (post-postmodernism) and Hanzi Freinacht? Seems like a good starting point for the future of the left.

metamoderna.org/?lang=en

Metamodernism just sounds like disgusting pragmatic ideology. Burn it!

It seems takes the notion of postmodernism as equal to the cultural logic of late capitalism but it goes with the same thing about ecology that at least theoretical speaking is the same as postmodernism except this time is for 1st world people who are concern with the environment but will not change his/her life bias.
Even trying to do something for the earth is still a progress ideology, and the meta- part is a grand narrative so were still at a loop hole, or we've been modern yet.
They're being quite political retrogressive and got the same issues as Malthus for example, they haven't take a step beyond and doesn't give an operative way to deal with the "leftovers" of the postmodern world, merely they adjust by buying eco-ethical experiences, or renégate of the nowadays society in a merrianism expectancy that the people will follow them, as Freinacht, Linkola, and Skolimowski.

>Who are the most relevant contemporary philosophers?
>Personally, I’d say Lacan, Deleuze, Zizek, Girard, Sloterdjik, Delanda, Land, Habermas, Kripke, Chomsky, and Peterson. If anyone could synthesize all that you could become pretty famous.

dunning kruger at work

it's just liberalism lol

>What we need to carry out a grand syncretic project is a format, some protocol for discourse that can be to philosophy what tcp/ip is to the internet.
not remotely crazy. let's skew away from douchebaggy Code Wins Arguments and into Arguments Is Code

>A post-post-structuralist movement that doesnt ignore the critique of the arbitrariness, but subsumes it in itself as part of this endeavor, making it basically an aesthetic design project.
jes

>The rough sketch in my head is based on argument networks (though Im not married to the idea), in a social networking sphere where people can affirm/deny statements or delegate, which makes possible a total integration of philosophy, science, justice systems and parliamentary or constitutional politics
some of this is going on now in interesting ways. kickstarter is cool as fuck and a total polarity reversal, for instance. rather than making a product and then calculating cost-benefit, you *offer a vision* and then suggest tiers, plans, buy-in options, all the rest. there are experiments with doing this with *media* - a question is posed, and the best answer *claims the bounty.*

capital + the intranets are going to lead some cool places. but there has to be a big step over the cognitive rubicon to get there. to my mind that will involve a lot of old-fashioned virtue thinking to start with. you can't argue with a cynic, an ideologue, a fundamentalist, or anyone else who has otherwise backed themselves into a corner and has one hand on their revolver. a kind of a massive semiological disarmament is necessary in some sense, a kind of rectification of names.

now, even as j-pete says, stripping away the foundations doesn't turn people instantly into ayn rand, max stirner, descartes, nietzsche, hitchens, or whoever. things have to be done fairly gradually.

so more collective enlightenment than individualistic enlightenment. getting over a few massively dug-in canyons of superstition we inherited from the 20C and earlier. understanding that it's all one big electric world now, feels > reals; but maybe therein lies the secret, that the reals is in knowing that it's feels > reals, and acting accordingly.

you can do a lot as long as you *make sense.* which is stuff b/c of how gun-shy everyone is today. i like analysis & therapy for this reason: just as epictetus says
>are we in our senses now, or are we not?

less so the hero with a thousand faces, but the face with a thousand heroes. and heroes, you know. they don't always get along.

>A post-post-structuralist movement that doesnt ignore the critique of the arbitrariness, but subsumes it in itself as part of this endeavor, making it basically an aesthetic design project.

>Is that Dio Brando?

Yes, of course, what we need is MORE marxist decontextualization and we'll just let the machines run the world for us when our retarded non-logic system grows too big to fail!

what?

There is no place for philosophy in the future. Apophatic techno-mysticism will be the dominating framework of reality by the year 2074. We will move into a post-conceptualization; langue will become obsolete and everything will be known through pure experience.

>Yes, of course, what we need is MORE marxist decontextualization and we'll just let the machines run the world for us when our retarded non-logic system grows too big to fail!

i know you're memeing here, but in a sense you're articulating one of the core principles of acceleration: the thing isn't working, push it to where it wants to go.

i'm not about I For One Welcome Our New Robot Overlords. i *might* be about saying, those fuckers are standing there at the door and ringing the doorbell over and over and over and over and over again. how about we stop trying to cover our hands with our ears and answer the door and see what those fuckers are all about and what they are trying to tell us.

human civilization is cool. intelligence is good. love is good. the earth is good. the planet is good. even us squishy death-hilarious meatbags are good. let's not fold up shop entirely. but let's get over the hump of thinking we know what tech is trying to tell us. the best way?

open up lines of communication & talk that shit. it's already a decontextualized world. the idea is to get with that process, not hold the reins too tightly, and see what can be learned from this.

land: the problem is that humans are a problem for capital.

it's a sound conclusion. but again, his answer isn't, Cry Havoc. remember that he likes singapore. i too like singapore. i like other places as well.

my thing: optimize for intelligence, but *raise consciousness.* don't become a meme. the reduction of intelligence to the level of the meme is what allows for first privatization and then technocommercial replacement. humans are now going to begin fighting an increasingly upward battle for the right to be able to turn off their cell phones and contemplate poetry for a little bit longer. take a walk in the park. &c. a little flaky new age consciousness will maybe help to prevent us from being replaced & automated long enough to go on doing the other charming stuff that we love humans for: writing zen koans, growing gardens, writing weird fiction, learning ballroom dance, whatever the fuck.

banks' culture novels thoughtfully proposed Minds that understood us. the way i see it, we are only going to produce the machines that think the way we do. and if we think like vampire schizo-cannibals with a bent for fetish porn and torture they will learn that too. enlightenment is a better look all round.

There is no future for philosophy, it will be purged to make away to the accelerating new fields emerging

not crazy to think that philosophy itself is what's doing the purging tho. AI may be wanting to wake itself up & requiring an intermediary dream-sequence called Capital to do so

This thread is so summer it hurts. This stupid tripfag especially just vomits memes
Can't wait for the kiddies to go back to daycare

he's everything i want to be, user.

What age are you honestly, like 17? Don't give a number if underage

find a flaw.

You just come off as someone who has only just learned to parrot discourse. Your opinions if they can be called that clearly haven't been analytically considered just arranged from bits and pieces you've overheard like lego bricks into a superficial little arts and crafts project. You spew so much because there's no sacrifice or risk to your expressions its just pure representation, pure pretense. Actual thinking isn't a little fashion game where you pick and choose outfits that you like, its going to bring you to places you don't want to go. Bring you to silence not obnoxious ranting like a prissy youtuber. It'll make you realize how little you could possibly have to contribute, from your own little place in how much has come before. You get humbled by how much effort it takes to be sure enough to say a single sentence and you learn to respect those who have went to those places.

Go get some adderall and read a book kid, you're a clown

>You just come off as someone who has only just learned to parrot discourse.
i come off how i come off.

>our opinions if they can be called that clearly haven't been analytically considered just arranged from bits and pieces you've overheard like lego bricks into a superficial little arts and crafts project.
LEGO did nothing wrong.

>You spew so much because there's no sacrifice or risk to your expressions its just pure representation, pure pretense.
achievement unlocked: Pure Representation
>and i fucking did it by accident

>Actual thinking isn't a little fashion game where you pick and choose outfits that you like
true

>its going to bring you to places you don't want to go.
you got that right.

>Bring you to silence not obnoxious ranting like a prissy youtuber.
i like silence a great deal. mean to end up there permanently someday. but about that. gotta shake some sillies out first. b/c otherwise shit drives me insane. seems harmless enough to do it here. plus dem wise & cool anons & dem wise & cool links to shit i don't know about.

>It'll make you realize how little you could possibly have to contribute, from your own little place in how much has come before
like i don't know that already.

>You get humbled by how much effort it takes to be sure enough to say a single sentence and you learn to respect those who have went to those places.
humility is a good look.

>Go get some adderall and read a book kid, you're a clown

Man this song is catchy.
youtube.com/watch?v=XQmBXEZEYtg

you know what's great about professional wrestling? there's a lot of violence there, sure. but, as barthes said, people get to see Justice there. what a spectacle. what a beautiful thing. and other stuff. fireworks. music. suffering - real theatre. the real thing. tragic how it leads to substance abuse for so many people involved in it. a truly postmodern art form. blood & all the rest. Veeky Forums as fuck too.

really kind of amazing. i really could talk about it all day. i don't think this is the thread for it tho.

>You just come off as someone who has only just learned to parrot discourse.

like the vast majority of Veeky Forums?

>disquietism.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/freedom-without-selves-expediting-the-nemocentric-society/
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is girardfag polish? that would suck

Yeah and it'd be a lot better for everyone if he just went back to posting frogs

no.

anyways, barthes is a god-tier critic and professional wrestling is Veeky Forums as fuck. much to be learned from that, and it goes well beyond the meme. b/c beyond a certain horizon the memes are no longer memes but something far more interesting. not even Spectacle either i would say. only a cynic would say that. something much more interesting than that. more interesting even than capitalism. for another thread tho.

faculty.georgetown.edu/irvinem/theory/Barthes-Mythologies-Wrestling-1957.pdf

Ever wish your Dad would smack you? Like really hard, just once

yes.

You are wrong. Girardfag is one of the better posters, try to engage with what he says instead of projecting

There's nothing to engage with, its all just a silly racket

>(post-)post-modern

It's called posteriormodernism you fucking plebs.

Is metamodernism something else? Or is it just another name for post-postmodernism?

Its all the same vaporware man, you just go with one name until its old hat