Just finished the communist manifesto for the first time

So communism works, but it's just so far ahead of its time that it requires genetic engineering?

of course it exists, unless you believe in something supernatural like god or soul

beat you to it hehehehehe

wtf is that pic??

You can believe in God and the soul and still believe in human nature.
You can believe we have free will, just weak willpower

Karl Marx's first comic strip

Who's more of a cunt, Karl Marx or Thomas Carlyle?

Which side has the most despicable writers, left Hegelians (marxists) or right hegelians (fascists, conservatives etc)?

>food analogies
every
single
time

yeah, but i don't think you can be materialist and believe theres no human nature... in fact, its the only thing there is

Marx btfo'd left hegelians, stirner memers, vulgar materialists, idealists and discourse wanking pomofags in the german ideology. his shitposting prowess is often underestimated.

>The entire body of German philosophical criticism from Strauss to Stirner is confined to criticism of religious conceptions.claiming to be the absolute redeemer of the world from all evil. Religion was continually regarded and treated as the arch-enemy, as the ultimate cause of all relations repugnant to these philosophers. The critics started from real religion and actual theology. What religious consciousness and a religious conception really meant was determined variously as they went along. Their advance consisted in subsuming the allegedly dominant metaphysical, political, juridical, moral and other conceptions under the class of religious or theological conceptions; and similarly in pronouncing political, juridical, moral consciousness as religious or theological, and the political, juridical, moral man – “man” in the last resort – as religious. The dominance of religion was taken for granted. Gradually every dominant relationship was pronounced a religious relationship and transformed into a cult, a cult of law, a cult of the State, etc. On all sides it was only a question of dogmas and belief in dogmas. The world was sanctified to an ever-increasing extent till at last our venerable Saint Max was able to canonise it en bloc and thus dispose of it once for all.

>Since the Young Hegelians consider conceptions, thoughts, ideas, in fact all the products of consciousness, to which they attribute an independent existence, as the real chains of men (just as the Old Hegelians declared them the true bonds of human society) it is evident that the Young Hegelians have to fight only against these illusions of consciousness. Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human, critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly “world-shattering" statements, are the staunchest conservatives. The most recent of them have found the correct expression for their activity when they declare they are only fighting against “phrases.” They forget, however, that to these phrases they themselves are only opposing other phrases, and that they are in no way combating the real existing world when they are merely combating the phrases of this world.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm

okay Hume

What if human nature is a learned behavior?

woops wrong bat-slap

>Dude just stop being schizophrenic
>Biology doesn't effect behavior
Wtf i love communism now

A bunch of college kids larping as workers isn't going to trigger me.

what about THIS? I supposes you are all for indoctrinating children whit 'queer theory' and gender ideology like a good leftist.

i dont give a fuck about children

what do you say to the fact that the poor overwhelmingly hate you and voted for trump and that effete college students are the only people who think communism is a good thing?

Did you like it? Are you a communist now?

>this is the future the pedo left wants for our children.

Germany's left has its own tales of abuse. One of the goals of the German 1968 movement was the sexual liberation of children. For some, this meant overcoming all sexual inhibitions, creating a climate in which even pedophilia was considered progressive.

>spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

why should i care for some little shits that only know to how to waste resource and being annoying? fuck children, fuck breeders

>fuck children,
that's exactly what im talking about, the so called 'lgbt community' is a marxist front group obsessed with legalising pedophilia.

No, I'm against identity politics.
This is the fault of liberals and identity politics. The majority of "communist" groups are controlled by capitalists such as Soros. The poor and working class were at the mercy of liberal news corporations, and I'm going to assume you know how they covered the election.

What the fuck. What show is this?

No it doesn't. That's a meme.
I'm not a Marxist
Why is that relevant? Human nature does not exist; Marx was wrong -- these two statements are not mutually exclusive.
No it doesn't.
Schizophrenia is not biological because 'biology' does not exist, there is no Bios.

I see so since they're too dumb to know whats good for them you should decide their fate. kinda like the bourgeois do for them now you would be there new masters?

The Mick, featuring Dee from Always Sunny. The bitchy Jewish-Italian chick with the DFC is pretty hot

Schizophrenia is caused by both genetic(mostly) and environmental factors. And what do you mean by "'biology' does not exist"?

>The majority of
All. All Communists are, and have always been, a tool of elite groups or criminals to seize power, and they have never existed in any other meaningful capacity.

Your error is assuming that what you believe is in any way revolutionary. Marx was not a revolutionary, he was a useful idiot, which is why there are twenty million Marxists and a few hundred followers of Bakunin. Maybe Kropotkin has five or six.

>Okay guys, if we just form this Socialist state where the party rules and then it will definitely give away all its power and then we'll have a classless stateless society!

Or, OR, you could just create a classless stateless society. The worst part of this is that the so-called dialectic predicted this--but this was obviously NEVER going to happen. A government giving up power? When!? When ever has this happened, name me a single time! No, Marx was an imbecile, and Bakunin was right to call him a Jew, which I suppose at the time was code for "either a total retard or a disingenuous asshole," because it has to have been one or the other. Nobody who lived in the 19th century except a TOTAL FOOL could believe that a state would ever, EVER wither over time instead of growing like a perfidious weed.

kek

Genetics and environment do not exist. Stop shitposting your lame old memes.

>Women are at least 5/10
>Men are, at max, 3/10
It's like every subculture ever.

-A man who only knows western history

Why are leftists much more open to actual discussion compared to edgy /pol/tards who just call you a leftist when you disagree with them?

They don't read so they have nothing to say.

Great pic. Funny book.

Brilliant.

>constructs a strawman about how people with opposing opinions aren't willing to argue
huh...

You wanted an apple, from an orange, but you've created neither an apple, nor an orange, but an orange-apple. A mutant.

>right wingers think humanity is only fit for serving capital
What if there is something else than materialism?
What is the religious right?
You are dumb!

If it did it would be entirely dependent on the environmental factors around whomever you're talking about.

It'd be like saying's human nature to work for a lord because feudalism exists.

I've never done that to anyone. It really hurts my feeling that you would make insinuations like this.

That's funny, /pol/ was asking the same thing.

There is nothing left to debate. After the years of humiliation and long study of theory, statistics and anecdotes there is nothing left to discuss. We want the civil war and we will simply kill our enemies or die trying.

youtube.com/watch?v=C2apNz6K0x0
Good summary of the /pol/ mind in the [current year]

Middle class white people who LARP as blue collar folks voted for Trump you binch.

>Middle class white people who LARP as blue collar folks
So basically every who isn't a inner-city yuppie.

>Why aren't I 50 points ahead

Hey guys if you're ever thinking about picking a new political ideology just do a quick check and make sure it's not popular among middle upper class college students who have never worked a day in their lives.

That's a lot of empty space you got there.

So what are the hip and acceptable political ideology I should watch out for this season?

Trump is now less popular than Bush near the end of his term. Half the country didn't vote, including most white poors.

This season we're keeping a close eye on some revision of Burke's ideology, we're recommending you pick up your latest copy of Reflections on the Revolutions in France and immediately build an identity around it.

>If we convince people who don't vote to vote we'll win
Said every plucky upstart Socialist ever.

>push polls are honest we swear
Yeah keep polling blue counties and let me know how popular he is. Something tells me I won't even be a little surprised at the answer.

Guide to political ideologies summer 2017

>Trending Down
Alt Right
Natsoc
Neoliberalism
Intersectional feminism
Libertarianism
Anarcho Capitalism

>Trending Up
Straussian Neocons
Traditionalist Catholicism
Bookchinism/Communalism
Jacobin style grad school 'socialism'
Permaculture
Nouvelle Droite
Communisation

>Alt Right
>Trending Down
I don't know, after yesterday Trump might have just relit the fire.

I know Catholicism is among the oldest and most accepted, but I just can't accepg that they venerate Mary. (Well, that and the implant """Pope""".)

Which is the most true to the teachings of Jesus and his followers? Wouldn't a John the Baptist-esque approach be the more prototypical form of Christian fellowship?

>You wanted an apple, from an orange
Fucking read more carefully next time, it was the other way around. The comic even had pictures, I don't see how you could mess that up.

>Which is the most true to the teachings of Jesus and his followers? Wouldn't a John the Baptist-esque approach be the more prototypical form of Christian fellowship?

You know the early leaders of the Catholic Church personally met the apostles right?

there's low support in general for the alt right, even among Trump voters, who are by and large just boomers. They'd have to rebrand and get rid of the current batch of clowns ie. Spencer, that Alaska guy.

It isn't really about popularity though; If it was we would see Socialism making headway but it isn't, In fact the opposite is happening in Europe. Its about influence and how it's wielded and the alt-right wield is very efficiently, they subtly normalize their agenda, one of the best examples is the response of "We Wuz Kangz" to Assassin's Creed: Origins, the livestream was filled with tens of thousands of normie people spamming it.

WHERE DID IT BEGIN? If it is learned what is the spark that created something from nothing?

when leftists say 'human nature is a social construct' they actually mean all 'social constructs' ie. all time tested traditions, are evil and we should indulge in retarded and ideologically motivated social engineering. Notice how the family, gender and religion are assumed to be social constructs but homosexuals and transgenderists are born that way, and thus morally pure and politically correct.

this meme illustrates leftist beliefs

Isn't that the hypocrisy of the gender spectrum? One will say that gender is a social construct but at the same time state they are born as an X in a Y body, contradicting the previous statement. I think most people have a very shallow grasp on structuralism.

Go on /pol and then go to /leftypol/. Think of them what you want but they talk actually discuss theory and books while /pol/ is a reactonary cesspool.

transgenderism is a fundamentally political movement bent on undermining society through bait and switch tactics. at one moment, they will say they were 'born that way' and at the other they will denounce gender as a social construct that needs to be abolished starting in preschool.

>'From each according to his ability to each according to his need''
what is exactly the meaning of this?.
needs
needs is something so vague that you can put it at the mínimum ( i need wáter in order to live) or to the máximum (everyone need a university degree and a Golden Cadillac, or whatever).

i dont understand so a shitty remark can survive the time. anyway, i dont understand it very well. someone can explain?

>and that they are in no way combating the real existing world
he is so butthurted he even think what he wrote

hey, im talking about r3al WWorld not about phrases.

Decent list, however, I can see a slow down in NatSoc posting but it will begin to rise again fairly quickly. Neo-liberalism will never die.

Modern wagecucks are the same ones who defended feudalism and slavery back in the day. Capitalism has the same built-in contradictions as previous systems and will promptly fail.

>Imagine being so fat you look at communism and see food

And what will replace it?

Hopefully socialism

>what if chimpanzee nature is a learned behavior, learned by predescent monkeys
>what if a strawberry plant nature is genetically imprented by a strawberry plant, that it derived from
>really fires up the neurones

Dirty bourgeoisie exploiting the labor of the earth, sun, and soil to produce the orange tree!

>previous
implying the future systems will flourish and propagate in absence of contradictions.

You're going to be disappointed.

>inherent biology

What does this mean?

>Schizophrenia is not biological because 'biology' does not exist, there is no Bios.
*There is, schizophrenia is almost 100% genetic
>Dude just stop having epilepsy
>Bruh just like turn your blindness off and turn your eyesight on
>Jesus m8, just stop being gay

>time tested traditions

Capitalism is the force subsuming and castrating "time tested traditions." Global capitalism has steamrolled over religion, nation, the family. Everything has been sublimated into an image or symbol that can be commodified.

>retarded and ideologically motivated social engineering.

Leftism is a move away from social engineering. It is the politics of the revolutionary attitude in which people can work toward a libertarian society.

>Notice how the family, gender and religion are assumed to be social constructs but homosexuals and transgenderists are born that way, and thus morally pure and politically correct.

"Transgenderists"? Please try at least to get your buzzwords right. I can literally hear your brain rattling around like angry walnut meat inside its shell. Homosexual people are certainly born with homosexual desire. The western family model and western religions are proven to be socially imposed by peoples such as the Trobriand Islanders who fostered a society devoid of the neuroses which are ubiquitous in the capitalist west.

>politically correct.

Wtf? Where do you read this stuff? This sounds like a stroked-out Sean Hannity.

>political movement bent on undermining society

To what end?

>the poor love us even though I have never met anyone who isn't an upper middle class elite like myself and I can't produce any data to back it up I know it to be true I know it to be true

you fool, communism will work flawlessly and be utterly without contradictions as soon as it is correctly applied.

So I've been reading some short works before diving into Capital, I've finished Principles of Communism and Socialism: Utopian and Scientific.

Now I plan to go over Value, Price and Profit as well as Wage, Labour and Capital. Anything else I should read first?

Reminder

>Capitalism is the force subsuming and castrating "time tested traditions."
there is no time tested traditions. every ideology redifine the concepts and traditions.

>Leftism is a move away from social engineering.
social engineering is necessary to:
>people can work toward a libertarian society

>Homosexual people are certainly born with homosexual desire.
some people develop homosexuality with time. it´s not one or another.

This but unironically.

I bet Reagan never picked up one of Lenin's books. He would have probably agreed with everything in "Materialism and Empiriocriticism."

what are you stupid? look at the post rate of pol and the post rate of leftypol

go to any of the smaller rightwing boards and you will find the same thing, discussion.