Hiro-approved meta thread

Can we cut down on the Peterson threads, please?

This. All threads like these do is get rid of threads that are actually about literature.

You should have to post a scanned receipt for a pack of cigarettes. This would keep the american posters 18+ and would effectively get rid of most australians.

Here's what I'm talking about. I looked at the 150 posts that were up as of like 15 minutes ago.

>66 Bait Threads = 44% of the board
These threads open with inflamatory bait, they're generally created by someone who wishes to shit on the topic they've selected. These threads rarely go anywhere good, though occasionally the troll depart and actual fans have a meaningful discussion. For instance, the current Nick Land thread has some... almost decent discussion, even if OP probably intended to troll his fans.

>36 Low Quality/Low Effort Threads = 24% of the board
These threads fall into a few archetypes. "Redpill me on X". "What Am I getting into?" The OP brings nothing interesting to the table, other than naming the topic. I think most of these threads are made in good faith, so I don't call them bait. But they tend to be really shitty threads.

Also included in this category are posts like "3x3 Thread", "Univeristy Thread" and "10/10 thread". These threads have almost zero discussion, they encourage an user to signal something about themselves, and then the user usually departs. When someone does comment on another user's post, that user is almost always departed and never replies to the person engaging him.

>48 Good Threads = 32% of the board
There are 48 threads in which the OP had the right idea. Some of these are containment 'generals' like the critique thread and the sci-fi general. Others are well thought out posts that can (hopefully) engage other anons.

So yeah, these numbers are sad. I think enforcing a hard 'No Bait' and "No Low Effort" would help the board.

also, my counting could be off. Maybe I've misjudged some of these threads. But I'm guessing these numbers would only slightly change if another user performed the same 'audit'

Excuse me, my Alex Jones thread is not a bait attempt, you intellectual dumbass

>For instance, the current Nick Land thread has some... almost decent discussion, even if OP probably intended to troll his fans.

those are viral marketing threads, no one gives a shit about psuedo-academic youtube e-celebs other than the people paid to post them

You are right though, I wouldn't make a thread like that if there was a rule against it.

Well, I'm interested in his writing. We've had some good threads, one user even put together a big fat Land reader of pirated e-books. Also, he doesn't do youtube, doesn't do patreon, doesn't have any online monetization. He publishes and sells books, that's it.

Nothing up today screams of blatant viral marketing. Sometimes I think the icycalm threads are just alex self promoting. The Goonan threads are blatant self promotion.

Ah see, I could understand wanting to discuss conspiracy literature. But when you post Jones, and then fail to mention him in the post, I assume you're trying to incite some kind of pro-Jones/anti-Jones flame war.

Regardless, your thread qualifies as 'Low Effort'. You've given us nothing than "Conspiracy Literature, Go!" and a picture of Jones. Low Effort.

IMO, I feel like an autosaging "public intellectual general" would be perfect for Veeky Forums. Yes, Veeky Forums gets by with pretty much one notable general (/sffg/), but the theoretical /pig/ would be decent because 1) the board is slow enough that it'd stay up for hours even if every post saged it, and 2) it'd contain the autism.

>t. underage australian

Put it on a different website

???
Cigarette laws are harsher in Australia, not laxer. I think they won't even be able to buy cigarettes ever no matter how old they get if that grandfathering law gets passed and they're born 2000 or later. Plus it costs like $40 a pack or something crazy like that. How did you parse that post to mean the opposite?

yeah, that could work

Death camps.
Not joking.
Some of the posters here literally deserve execution.

meta-threads are by far the most productive trolling threads
just watch
this one will get to 200+ replies and there will be some huge spergouts

desu those numbers are pretty good

I'd kill a man to see 32% actual film discussions on /tv/

Get rid of those threads where someone just posts a picture of a book and

"what should i expect" or "what am i in for"

Read wikipedia if you want a plot summary, read the book and come back with some real thoughts about it if you want a discussion

Mods should delete more bait threads. A low quality rule could work.

Make a separate board for philosophy.

This

>I'd kill a man to see 32% actual film discussions on /tv/

I'm not familiar with /tv/ but I'm very sad to hear about that. The only other board I frequent is Veeky Forums, where everything is contained in generals pretty much.

Ban generals for fuck's sake hiro

wrong board m8

You strike me as someone who actually wants to see this board improve, which I respect. Unfortunately, these threads function more as a containment general for complaints than a source of ideas for the moderators to actually consider. Keep in mind that there is only rule in effect right now that is specific to this board (that all discussion be related to literature, excepting fan-fictions), whereas the average board on this site has at least three rules. The chances of changing or adding any rules are slim then, which is a shame considering there are some proposed worthy of experimenting with. Realistically, we need a meta-thread for the meta-thread where we can discuss ways to make the mods listen to us (or else!).

Imagine being so autistic to believe there is something wrong with Veeky Forums lmao

Sad!

Maybe "Realistically" was a poor choice of words.
>implying Trump was content with the status quo during his campaign

>Make a required entry level reading list
Suggestions?

Actually, some generals would help clean this board up a bit. Think of how much of this board's catalog is just throwaway questions (that have usually been asked within the last month or less) with only three or four replies.
I tried to start a translations general about two weeks ago but it didn't really take off, but I think something like that is sorely needed and could also be a great resource.

We already have an entry level reading list, newfriend.

Personally, I'd like more platforms for long-form, open discussion on academic topics. Anything that's low effort to respond to should be ignored (re: every response is

For a while 20% of all /tv/ threads were just a photo followed by "AHAHAHAHA".

I think generals would help also. A lot of the low effort threads are simple questions that don't deserve their own thread. A /bookrecs/ general would cut out:
>what are some books on (specific topic)
>I want to do x, what are some books for me
>books like x
Half this board is book recommendations at some points. Other generals like /classics/, /religion/, or a constantly maintained /qtddtot/ would cut down on a majority of repeated topics.

Definitely agree with /bookrecs/. Not so sure about /classics/. Most of the throwaway threads there could probably go in /translations/; beyond that I don't see a need. If some user wants to talk about Aeschylus I'm fine with him making a new thread about it. If that type of post belongs in a classics general then we may as well start having /postmodernism/ and /Russian writers/.

>take all /pol/ posters
>take all /leftypol/ posters
>take all Jordan Peterson posters
>put them on a island
>grab popcorn
>enjoy

Do not encourage generals. They sound good, but they basically ruin everything unique about a board and turn it into reddit where you're allowed to use the n-word. Just look at /sp/.

I like /bookrecs/ but I also believe no one will read it. Which is fine. No one responds to these threads anyway. Forcing it into a general and deleting the single posts would be great.

I go to /sp/ too and generals do concern me. /bookrecs/ is the only one I'm solid on as a general. I think /sp/'s problem is that because it's based on events, seasons, and sports there's not a lot of crossover between users. /hoc/ is a cesspit because no one goes to other generals and the off-season is awful. There's no off-season for books and Veeky Forums users seem less bound to a single topic.

I"ll concede book recommendation and QTDDTOT generals, but it's a slippery slope I warn ya

>never been to sp, guess I'll check it out
>why are these normies on Veeky Forums
This board confuses me. These people could be talking about sports on facebook or reddit or twitter, like healthy functioning citizens. Why do they come to Veeky Forums to talk about sports?

If I had any interest in sports, I'd milk it for all it's worth and hang out at sports pubs and watch ESPN with my bros.

Instead, I'm shitposting about human extinction and william burroughs like a crazy man.

Spee used to be great. Generals completely destroyed that board.

I think Veeky Forums could survive bookrecs and QTDDTOT pretty well, but limit the generals to just those and the sci-fi one that everybody seems to hate

>>why are these normies on Veeky Forums
In this respect, /sp/ is the most bizarre board on this site. /cfb/ is frequented by frat bros.
Let me shill my idea for /translations/ just one more time, then I'll go way.

The formatting works better for sports discussion in my opinion. Since posts are chronological in order and not based on upvotes/likes it's better for events/games. The cultures are also a lot better than Reddit because it's not pandering to upvotes and your uncle isn't posting his shit memes on a Facebook page. Both Reddit and Facebook don't breed good discussion either way. And ESPN is absolute garbage now a days since it's more focused on sports gossip and things athletes do off the field.

well, let me know when they bring back gladiatorial games and human sacrifice. Until then, its only spectacle unless someone is intentionally killed.

Have you heard about the developments with CTE?

Okay, I'll allow /translations/, but with /bookrecs/, /QTDDTOT/ and /genrefiction/ or whatever its called, that's four generals. We are really pushing it.

Range ban Israel so hasbara shills can't post cuck porn anymore.

/bookrecs/ and /qtddtot/ cut out most of the stuff that's been answered over and over and over again. Leave real threads to actual discussion.
/translations/ could be folded into /bookrecs/. The fewer generals the better.

Why are you talking as if anything is going to actually happen.

I don't think /translations/ would work that well teebeeaych

>CTE
yeah, the main stream news has been all over it.

I recently watched the reboot of Battle Bots. I don't have TV, so I didn't hear about it when it aired. Neat to watch robots destroy each other.

You could literally go start these generals right now. I don't give a shit desu senpai

Yes but the mods need to prune threads that would fall into those generals to force people to use them. It's harder to create a general and maintain it without mod support.

who needs mods
this is a classless society

I've seen it, it's a highschool reading list + meme books. Need's atleast one greek

>/translations/ could be folded into /bookrecs/
My hope was that the scholars that visit this board would go straight to /translations/ when they're feeling generous the way that some people go to /r/ or /wsr/ just to help someone else out. Conceivably, questions about translations could go into /bookrecs/ without any issue, but I think that there are enough translations threads and that they're different enough in spirit from "rec me a book about x" to justify a separate general. Another consideration is that questions about translations are narrow enough in scope to be enforced by a mod and/or by a simple ">>>/translations/". But so far I appear to be the only one who thinks this way, so if /bookrecs/ takes off I'll post my questions about translations there.

Problem is there is a fine line between bait and good discussion. A well meaning OP can lead to shit while bait can lead to something good. It's up to us to use our discretion

Got to agree. Veeky Forums is great

range ban north america and uk

Yes please. I think this board seems more and more awash in low effort questions about particular works that don't generate any interesting discussion.