ASoIaF

>Men call me Darkstar, I am of the Night!!!

Maybe he has most of the material "done". Few plot lines and end summarized, so when he dies, somebody else takes over and the end is still canon or close to canon.

I knew I forgot to inb4 something

He considers himself a "gardener" style author, is plant some seeds and watch the story grow organically, but you have to think he's got some sort of notes and a plan in mind. The first three books are very tight and focused, so he's gotta have some inclination of where the story will end up. If that's the case, I'm sure the publisher will do everything in its power to Wheel of Time the ending, if he doesn't live to finish it.

Speaking of which, has anyone read WoT? Do the Sanderson books do a satisfactory job of wrapping the series up?

Coldhands = The Night's King.

There is no Night King.

Best theories:
>Cersei was right about the Tyrells
>All dreams are either Bloodraven or the glass candle folks, who are using the Seven Kingdoms to wage a proxy war
>Lyanna didn't go willingly
>Littlefinger's Debt Scheme

>Will GRRM live to finish the series?
Absolutely not. Judging by how long it's taking him to (not) write the current book and the fact that he's got at least another to do after I'd say it'll be a good decade at this pace before the series is finished. Now look at GRRM. He's a grossly obese, 68 year old male. Those are not things that add up to living to a ripe old age.

He's going to die before he finishes the series, simple as that.

The more she drank the more she shat the more she shat the thirstier she got the more she drank the more she shat the more she shat the thirstier she got the more she drank the more she shat the more she shat the thirstier she got the more she drank the more she shat the more she shat the thirstier she got the more she drank the more she shat the more she shat the thirstier she got the more she drank the more she shat the more she shat the thirstier she got the more she drank the more she shat the more she shat the thirstier she got the more she drank the more she shat the more she shat the thirstier she got

But they made Arya so fucking ugly.
I can't stand the actors being the most ugly people in the world when these characters where so pretty in my mind
I know is medieval and is dark, and people usualy werent pretty in those times, but come on, couldent you make Arya look less down syndrome and Brienne less of a wierd human?
Brienne is the second best, why people misthreat my waifus?

AND WHY SANSA ISEND RAPED AND DEAD YET?

>she shat all over the fat pink mast, her Myrish swamp became the world
BRAVO, MARTIN

God, just imagine this fat, gross, slimy piece of shit writing his disgusting fetishes into the story and beating off in his office chair. Makes me fucking sick. The books are terrible and he's a fucking pervert.

>tfw Jaime used to be a good character
>tfw it's been so long since I'd read the books and conversely such a while since I've seen the show ruin him, I can't even remember what that was like
He still burns Cersei's plea for help, right? Just as the snows begin? I didn't imagine that?

I said Night's King, not Night King.

I haven't heard any of these. Please elaborate

>Cersei was right
In AFFC/ADWD, Cersei is basically a paranoid drunk bitch in her POV chapters, due to the prophecy of Maggy the Frog saying a younger, more beautiful queen would show up to take all she holds dear. Because of this, she thinks Margaery and the Tyrells are scheming constantly and spying on her and shit to usurp her position, "steal" Tommen by marrying him to Margaery, and having Loras train him (and basically become his best friend as he grows up), and trying to make Mace Hand of the King, and Mace's brother master of coin. Cersei's a crazy broad, but there's more than a little evidence that she's right about the Tyrells.

cont.

Take it to plebbit

>>/tv/

>>Southron Ambitions
>>Grand Northern Conspiracy
Not familiar with any of these. Maybe you'd have better luck on Westeros or whatever other fan forum.
>The Others mistook Waymar for a Stark
Why would you think this?

>these characters where so pretty in my mind
Arya and Brienne were ugly in the books, so that was your mind's fault.

How would such a large animal be able to fly? The largest birds to ever live could not even take off on their own, they had to glide off a cliff.

I think most everyone agrees that Daenerys is the beautiful queen in that prophecy, not Margaery. And the only Tyrell smart enough to plan what you're suggesting is Olenna, and she had misgivings about the Lannister marriage from the start.
Yeah, Mace wants to be Hand...what a shocking theory that a lord might want more power...pfft
Cersei's done all the damage to herself, she needs no help from conspiracy.

I love Southron Ambitions, it doesn't rely on gimmicks or "epic" twists, it's just a sensible read of the political situation and intrigue of the world, which is what got a lot of people into the series in the first place. Also makes Jon Arryn interesting and significant, as one would expect him to be.

Regarding the Waymar thing, it essentially boils down to him looking like a Stark.

>Waymar Royce has the dark hair, grey eyes and slender build of a Stark
>Waymar, Gared and Will stop at Craster's while hunting wildlings
>Craster informs the Others
>Others kill the wildlings and set a trap for them
>when Royce and Will approach, six of them appear
>one begins to fight Royce
>the Other slashes him easily, then says something "in a mocking tone"
>Royce's sword shatters
>the rest of them move in and butcher him
>wight Waymar kills Will, but Gared escapes

The theory goes that Craster is on the lookout for anyone with the "Stark look" (he recognizes Jon as a Stark instantly). When Waymar stops at his keep, Craster mistakes him for a Stark, and informs the Others (whom he is sort of working for, giving them his sons and whatnot) after the rangers leave, who hunt Waymar down.

The theory posits that the Others have some sort of prophecy or something about a Stark (grey eyes, dark hair), who's good with a blade (hence the "mocking tone" when he easily cuts Waymar) and who wields a Valyrian steel sword (the reason the rest of the group move in and butcher Waymar after his sword shatters). They didn't give a shit about Will and Gared, hence why Gared escapes. All the aforementioned "facts" add up to Jon.

I don't think the Others need any special reason to kill Royce, and as proud as Waymar was, I'll bet he made sure Craster knew his name. Also, Starks aren't necessarily slender.
As I recall, Royce attacked first, just as Small Paul did. We know almost nothing about the Others or their motivations.

How much shit from the show do you think it is going to bleed into the book? Not much in WOW, since in theory it is almost finished, unless the fatass is rewritting it. But in ADOS?

Haven't been following the show since S2, since it started to deviate too much (and too stupidly) from the books, but after reading all the shit they've done now that they don't have any source material... also the fatso admitting he's probably going to be influenced by the show. I'm worried.

Leave redditor.

House Farwynd are the descendants of Brandon the Shipwright, this is why they have the warging power, and why they follow the older branch of the Drowned God, which the first men living on the Iron Islands did.

>I think most everyone agrees that Daenerys is the beautiful queen in that prophecy, not Margaery.
Umm, pretty much no one thinks that.

>generic english person kills another generic english person
>generic english person rapes another generic english person
>who kills/rapes who is largely irrelevant
>if swordman 5 killed swordman 18 instead of swordman 3 it would make no difference past the formality of swordman 3 being killed later and swordman 18 being killed sooner
>kingmen die later though
>there are dragons too

Why doesn't the ice wall shatter? I know it's magic, but still, ice likes to move, it doesn't like to be in a rigid structure like that.

woah...

It's mentioned in the books that it shrinks and grows via weeping and precipitation, etc. And parts of it DO shatter. Case in point when Jarl's wildings are climbing the north side and break off a piece. It's so high and thick that a break would have to be huge to matter.

You may be right. I don't frequent ASoIaF message boards, so I dunno what the theorists think. But it makes just as much sense as Margaery to me. No way the Tyrells are going to be allowed to "cast down" Cersei. Varys and Littlefinger wouldn't want that, it would make things too stable.

I wonder if GRRM gets over his writers block now that the tv series is going on full steam. He'll just lift ideas and plot points from the series.

He doesn't seem all that interested in finishing the series honestly. He'd rather do anything else than to wrote AsoIaF in the years he has left.

>wrote
*write

will based Stannis prevail over the Boltons?

>Asshai constantly gets mentioned
>all this cool mystic shit in the east
>we'll never see any of it
ok

How, exactly, is Qarth such a wealthy and powerful city when it is completely surrounded by a blighted, empty countryside and so entirely dependent on external sources for food and other basics?

It's pretty obvious he lost interests by the third or fourth novel.

Lower gravity + greater density of air would do the trick

by internally heating an air sack

they're like a hot air balloon

he looks like a porn addict

Not literature

Tolkien is to creative literary genius what Martin is to hack pulp idiocy. They both so far surpass anyone else in their field that they will be remembered 1,000 years from now as a kind of yin and yang of fantasy, a Manichaen duality of speculative letters. For every sublime, luminous beauty that Tolkien has gifted the world, Martin has cursed us with a tedious, banal ugliness. It is unfair to compare the two directly on any one point, because Martin is in every way the anti-Tolkien, patently sterile, parasitical, and inferior, but so much so that he becomes a monument in his own right, and counterbalances Tolkien. Could one exist without the other? Tolkien obviously could. But it is only by the contrast that Martin offers that we can truly appreciate the full depths and heights of Tolkien. Our understanding of Tolkien would be incomplete if Martin had never set pen to page. It is through only the abject failure and futility of Martin that we can approach an apprehension of the true scope and scale of Tolkien's hitherto inconceivable greatness. Perhaps this is what Tolkien had in mind when he wrote about the Music of the Ainur. If Tolkien is a subcreator in the image of Eru, truly Martin is like unto Melkor. It is only reflected in the awfulness of the one that we can fully see the goodness of the other.

I can't even remember what the fuck happened in these books anymore. GRRM is such a embarrassment to the profession.

All I know is that we'll be seeing more of his filthy sexual fantasies in the books (or realistically, book) that remain.

>fatso admitting he's probably going to be influenced by the show
He's said a million times, "Da show is da show and da books are da books." Of course he will probably be influenced by the books somehow, probably in the form of fan service and some dumbing down of the more subtle plotting. But I think the absolute nosedive the show has gone on the last three years will be motivation enough to make the books as different as possible from the show. Not to mention, he says he hasn't even watched the latest season because he's too """""busy"""""".

I don't know what there is to worry about. There is very little value in the books worth preserving. We all simply just want to know what happens next.

Get this /tv/ shit out of here.

w-w-whats in ulthos g-guys? the eye of sauron?

how will Westeros' tax policies affect the defense of the realm against the Others?

Pretty much everything past the Bone Mountains is supposed to be apocryphal. They are places that exist, but not necessarily as the map shows them. The point is to demonstrate how the Westerosi know very little of the world beyond a certain point. Asshai, Ulthos, even Sothos are real places, in the setting, that the Westerosi know next to nothing about. So they're depictions and ideas about these places are very basic and imply an innate amount of magic that likely doesn't exist.

Coldhands = previous Azor Ahai

Also curious how the story turns out. I'm on book 1 right now and it's kind of a chore to get through.

Yeah, but why have Daenerys be encouraged to "go east to go west" if we never see Asshai? Why have Quaithe at all?

Because the books will probably have her reach Westeros by going west through Ashai to come out north of the wall, like how regular globes work. The series has a habit of treating basic modern day facts like "the world is round" like things the people view almost the same as myth and magic

This is probably why there are cities named Kayakayanaya or other gibberish there as well

They own the Greater/Lesser landmasses below them

Mark my words. The Winds of Winter will be published in the next two years, and A Dream of Spring will come out within years after that. Once Winds is out of the way, and there's no way it's not close to done, there will hardly be anything left for him to discover as he writes. I know he considers himself a gardener and all, but once it comes to the last book there's only so much room left to grow. He already knows the end result of most if not all the major plot lines and characters, and he'll have to have most of that lined up in Winds. He won't have much time to wander, and I think that will translate to less writing time, since he's not sitting there thinking up what should happen next like he struggled with while writing Feast and Dance.

>two bumps in 6 minutes
wanna know how I know you're new here?

>reading genre fiction
May as well just play some video games too

She may circumnavigate in the books, but I doubt it. Going east might be how she gains the dothraki hoards in the books, which then enable her to conquer westeros

>HURR GENRE FICTOON HURRRR

I bet you read joyce unironically

Where the fuck is Ancalagon the Black? He dwarfs all other dragons by far.

>She may circumnavigate in the books
It doesn't make any sense, if that was the case anyone in Westeros could reach Asshai and the Shadowlands by simply sailing west. It was stated in some book that the western sea is a dangerous hellhole that no one comes back alive.

Wasn't there an allusion to Asshai having electricity somewhere in the books? I seem to remember that.

>It was stated in some book that the western sea is a dangerous hellhole that no one comes back alive.
Unless you listen to the Farwynds.

>tfw it will be another Wheel of Time shitshow where the author dies and some other genre fiction hack continues to write and reveals spoilers that were never meant to be explained

Here's a question for ASOIAF niggas.

The main reason I could never get into ASOIAF is that after a glance at the books, a glance that was tainted by having seen a bit of the show first, the lore of the setting seemed really "thin."

Certain things worried me right away, like GRRM cavalierly saying that the Age of Men on the western continent is 10,000 years old. Seems like lazy, unrealistic setting construction.

But more generally, what worried me is that GRRM doesn't have a way of making people and events from the past (of the setting) seem distant and appropriately majestic. The more lore I read, the more it seemed like everything that had ever happened in the setting was virtually identical to what was happening in the setting's present. Fan fiction drama, too many personal elements. The first Targaryean guys could have happened last week, not 300 years ago, or 3000 years ago, with no real difference.

Is this just because I watched the show first, and presumably, the Wiki people are all showfags? When you actually read the books, before the show was ever a thing, did the setting feel ancient and mysterious and real to you, like thousands of years of people really lived in it?

Why didn't the undead just swim around the fucking wall or hell marched around it via the sea bottom they're fucking undead

I started with a book before the hype, it never seemed ancient or mysterious to me. Tbqh Conan's world seems more ancient and mysterious than this.

>Bonetown

Why is the Strait of Malacca so important? It's the safest and quickest route connecting Yi Ti and the spicer islands to Slaver's Bay and the Free Cities. Therefore, Qarth can basically levy a tax on sailing through their waters, and since you have gold/slaves/lumber coming one way and gold/spices/any exotic exports coming the other, you pretty much have the makings for a city which sustains itself by its taxes.

More like dorkstar

you're a fuckin moron. kys

>I can't even remember what the fuck happened in these books anymore. GRRM is such a embarrassment to the profession.
Really, because I can't forget. I distinctly recall many scenes and characters, I think Martin did a great job.

I read the first four books a decade ago. I enjoyed them as a 20-something but can't be arsed to read them again now just to start reading A Dance With Dragons. GRRM should die already ffs. Haven't watched the HBO show, I'm sure it's normie shit.

Also I can't give less of a shit about Littlefinger and Tyrion schemings. I get them confused tbhwyfamilia.

Ah ah ah, didn't consider that at all. Basically an analog of the old Malay kingdoms. Makes much more sense to me now.

The show is about as normalfag as it gets, yeah. The people who enjoy it are absolute morons.

>No Eragon
My childhood was for nothing

>people are morons for enjoying [thing]

It started strong but without GRRM's writing it has stopped being autistic shit and turned into normie shit

I still enjoyed it though because I'm a sucker

The characters have a poor grasp of history. What scholars Westeros has are openly skeptical of the traditionally accepted dates.

I don't know how much this explains, but the sheer amount of time that say, the Starks are supposed to have been around is bizarre (especially since they seem to have a bizarrely nuclear notion of family).

Well, he could be all that. As it is he fucked it all with tv show. The show has done irreparable damage to his legacy. How it came out is irrelevante, how he got involved with it isn't. Prancing around on set, on award shows, while letting it overcome your own writing, is capital sin in literature. His legacy is dead.

He is absolutely correct. If they had any self awareness they would be ashamed of themselves for enjoying a subpar product, but then again they're the same moronic public that google watches are directed at, so there you have it.

serious question

why does everyone hate quentyn?

his role was not just to let free the dragons

in the show he leaves cersei in it too just in the last episode, even the snow starts falling when he leaves which is nice

you honestly think that intelligence is determined by the products that a person consumes, so I think we're done here. not really any point in arguing with a delusional person.