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When is A Sea of Skulls getting into print?

Right now.

reading kassad's fight on hyperion again
I'm reminded of Faora in MoS

Thanks user... this torrent is going to take forever though, fug

What are some good non-english fantasies?

I liked Лeтoпиcи Paзлoмa.

Skammerens Datter is good YA fiction.

Just a reminder about this huge fantasy torrent:

i'll seed it forever anons
ily

Someone add it to the OP

There seem to be some significant gaps in seeding. i got most of it at 10Mbps, now I'm down to 10kbps.

What fantasy sword has the best lore?

Unironically the Sword of Truth.

>Up to 2.1MBs download

Fuck yeh

>.txt
What am I supposed to do with this? Can it be changed to other formats easily?

yes, easily to mobi or epub or pdf

huh neat, I guess it doesn't hurt to have it. Will seed

Any good fantasy originally in Spanish? Preferably sword and sorcery or heroic fantasy with a tinge of the weird, but I'll take an epic fantasy series or something else if it's especially good.

Fantasy in Spanish is pretty dank

Thanks. Please recommend some. I want to improve my Spanish.

youtu.be/QFI30pcv4sM

What did he mean by this?

The only seed just fucked off and left everyone at 83.3%

fug

Who's hyped for the HBO adaptation?

Nevermind

He's just a bit slow. Once the we've got more than one seeder it will be a very speedy torrent.

Are there any actually good YA books apart from Sabriel or His Dark Materials?

Does Red Rising count?

Shattered Sea?

Earthsea

I suspect the original seed hasn't completely finished uploading the file.
I know we're at least 2 with a seedboxes so once it's finished ( in about 1-3hrs ), everyone else should be able to download at max speed.

Deltora even if it's not technically YA

Thanks anons. I've been meaning to read Earthsea ever since I've seen the author memed on here. Guess I have an excuse now.

Anduril, Flame of the West

Stormbringer.

I invited a friend to read a fantasy series with me and he said sure. But this'll basically be his first time reading for pleasure.

What do you think of the idea of starting him off with Nine Princes in Amber?

>I invited a friend to read a fantasy series with me
no homo?

Actually, I'm bi and he's gay, but there's nothing romantic there, no.

Why do people call Moorcock a hack? Genuinely curious because I was considering buying the first Elric book, but it's 25 bucks and I don't want to spend that much on garbage if they're right. What is good about those books?
>inb4 library, every person i see there skips washing their hands after they piss or shit

The Possible Sword

His stuff is kind of young adult edgy teenager kinda stuff. But it's good for what it is. Moorcock himself has an overinflated opinion of his abilities though and publicly trashed Tolkien, so he brought it on himself.

Pendragon Adventures was a fun ride.

Certainty

It's just pulp adventure really, the sort that used to be serialized in magazines. Elric gets thrown off a ship and saved by the Sea God, nicks a magic ship, conquers a magic mirror by blindfolding himself, gets lost in the City of Endless Night, etc. One misadventure after the other.

Hm, that doesn't sound super promising. I enjoy pulp, especially Conan, but I never thought those books were left wanting emotion-wise. Maybe if I see it for cheaper I'll give it a shot. Thanks user

That sounds interesting enough. How's the prose? Does Elric bitch about his circumstances through the whole thing?

What happened to the author? Is Morpheus Road any good?

>multimastate
This book is stretching my vocabulary in interesting ways.

There are two reasons Veeky Forums calls him a hack.

First, his prose in his earlier-written works (which may not be his earlier works chronology-wise because much of it is a series of adventures that he later together in a chronological order) is kind of clunky.

Second, he dissed Tolkien in an essay that, even as someone who likes Moorcock and gets where he was coming from, was kind of shitty.

Third, the Elric books are worth reading but I wouldn't pay $25 unless it's the whole saga, or at least a good chunk of it.

I think there's actually a lot more going on than that, and I really admire Moorcock's ability to have these little vulnerable, tender moments interspersed throughout his stories. Like when Erekosë realizes he can't remember the faces of his wife and child from his life before he was called back to be the Eternal Champion.

Prose varies wildly because he wrote the books out of order throughout his career. Elric doesn't bitch about his circumstances all that much, though the series can be pretty depressing because of how bad Elric has it. I would say that Moorcock's prose is probably the weakest element of his writing, and his best element is his characterization.

The last book in the Elric saga, entitled Stormbringer, has been called "the most devastating finale in fantasy history," though that may be an exaggeration. Neil Gaiman in one interview listed Stormbringer as one of his top three most important novels, if you like him.

>Why do people call Moorcock a hack?
Because he's the epitome of hack writing. Some of the Elric books he literally wrote in a couple of days. He's the proto grimdork author who writes for edgy teenagers.

>Why do people call Moorcock a hack?
Less a hack and more that he doesn't actually like the genre he's most famous for writing in. His Elric stuff is just deconstructionist crap that's dull and boring compared to proper Sword & Sorcery. People should read Karl Edward Wagner's Kane stuff if they want proper dark, violent and horror filled S&S.

>I was considering buying the first Elric book, but it's 25 bucks and I don't want to spend that much on garbage if they're right.
Buy the French comic adaptions instead. They're infinitely better than anything Moorcock has ever written about Elric; if only for the gorgeous artwork.

Thanks for the rec! I've never heard of Wagner before.

They're fun pulp.

I'm not sure Elric is even the most emo Champion Eternal dude. People just assume he is because of his character design.

Don't forget he's a litigious prick that seriously thinks Sapkowski ripped off his writing.

This is what strict superseeding is for. I have a suspicion the seed is uploading the same missing section to everyone at once and that's why it's taking forever,

In the third book he teams up with three other versions of the Eternal Champion (basically the same person reincarnated throughout time and space) and they raid a castle full of giant orangutans and weird snake-like worms and shit, then fuse into a four-faced monstrosity and kill the weird liquid eldritch wizard thing that rules the castle, piloting the castle like a fucking mech to fight the next castle over, which is the first castle's brother. It does not lack for action. It's more like the kind of shit you can read as just pulp or you can get more out of it.

Yea he's pretty much been forgotten. Get your hands on Death Angel's Shadow and Night Winds first since those are his best Kane stories.

NOT
LITERATURE

Imagine being this retarded

There is literally no such thing as literature

If people can call the pamphlets at the clinic that inform them about the array of venereal diseases they might be suffering from literature, then I think you can come to terms with sff being called as literature. Go read the sparknotes to some Pynchon book so you can carry it around in a Starbucks in hopes of impressing some 4/10 coffee slinger.

Why'd he have to bite it lads?

shoo shoo
Cry over there

There's another reason, which is that many of his novels, such as the Hawkmoon books, were written at a ridiculously swift pace, like four days a novel. And yet he has the nerve to criticise Tolkien who labored over his stories for decades

Think I'm gonna try to revive Sword and Planet.

Goat YA: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amulet_of_Samarkand

That's my goal too. Criminally underrated/underused subgenre. Godspeed user.

To be fair, while I think he was only half-right, he was criticizing what he believed Tolkien was trying to do, not how effectively he pulled it off.

His argument was basically, "I think the philosophy that underlies Lord of the Rings is childish and a little bit fascist, and I think certain attitudes that Tolkien has have hurt his books, and so I think Lord of the Rings fails at what fantasy ought to be doing, which is challenging people and making them better." You can disagree, but none of it was, "I think Tolkien tries to do a certain thing and fails at it," aside from one little bit about it failing as romance (in the classical sense) because of Tolkien's ambivalence toward romance.

So while I think he's incorrect in some of his accusations (which could much more fairly be leveled at CS Lewis), none of the accusations is that Tolkien didn't work hard at what he did or failed to tell the story he was trying to tell or anything like that.

It's like if you painted an image I found disgusting, I could still shit-talk your decision to paint a disgusting thing at all even if I'm not as technically skilled.

True enough. I was mostly just trying to address why people call Moorcock a hack. Like, because writing 80k word novels in 4 days while hyped up on speed is pretty much distilled literary hackery.

I don't dislike Moorcock's writing that much myself, my point was that Moorcock seems to find it very easy to shake salt on Tolkien, but never managed any imaginative achievement on the same scale.

>Like, because writing 80k word novels in 4 days while hyped up on speed is pretty much distilled literary hackery.
That sounds like fun how can I get some speed to try it?

>how can I get some speed
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To be fair, while less explicitly recognized, Moorcock may have had a bigger effect on popular culture.

>alignment in D&D is inspired by his Law vs. Chaos thing (and in fact, for the first editions of D&D, the only alignments were Lawful, Chaotic, or neutral)
>Alan Moore explicitly based his cosmology of the Marvel multiverse on Moorcock's multiverse
>Grant Morrison more or less based the DC universe on it as well, along with an idea of everything returning to symmetry
>Blue Oyster Cult wrote lots of songs about Elric, some with Moorcock's help, and Moorcock even performed onstage with them at times
>if it weren't for that, who knows if Lemmy (Blue Oyster Cult's bass player) would have wound up the frontman for Motorhead?
>the Eternal Champion likely inspired the character of John Constantine, who had a huge effect on comic books aimed at adults, probably made Sandman a possibility and helped Neil Gaiman really get into the public eye
>oh, and Neil Gaiman lists Moorcock as one of his biggest influences
>helped make sci-fi's New Wave a thing through his editorial work on New Worlds, helping authors like Zelazny and Le Guin find footing, as well as J. G. Ballard and Philip K. Dick

Also, obviously I don't know how true it is, but I think I remember reading that he *claims* that he never used any drugs to help him write besides the caffeine in his coffee.

Try "Neverending Story" by Michael Ende. It has almost nothing to do with the film version. I have heard Ende literally cried when he watched it for the first time.

*Grant Morrison more or less based the structure of the DC multiverse on it as well...

Sorry about that.

Hawkwind not Blue Oyster Cult.

You're right. My bad. Blue Oyster Cult also did some songs about the Eternal Champion, though, as did a handful of other artists.

Original seeder here, my shitty ISP will let me upload only at 64kb/s or so. It WILL be finished though.

I don't think slightly influencing formerly esoteric capeshit and a band in the 1970's really outperforms the impact Tolkien had on popular culture. He didn't invent the fantasy genre, but he revitalized mythopoea and brought fantasy to a more broad audience. His influence, whether it be blatant references or just shared ideas, can be found in most modern fantasy novels, video games, movies, tabletop games, and et cetera. I'm sorry, but Moorcock's influence is much less than Tolkien's.

Influenced Gaiman, who wrote American Gods, which is now a major TV show on Starz. Influenced Alan Moore's creation of A League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (his influence here is pretty clear), Watchman, V for Vendetta, etc.

Without Moorcock there probably wouldn't be the whole Guy Fawkes mask thing. Not saying anything about whether that's good or bad, but it's an influence.

Widow's Wail
All hail to Prince Joffrey

>He didn't invent the fantasy genre, but he revitalized mythopoea and brought fantasy to a more broad audience.
I think you're confusing Tolkien with the Grim Brothers.

Fun fact: In the show when Joffrey asks what he should call his sword, someone yells out "Stormbringer!"

Martin wrote the episode.

He also led a campaign to ban Got for being sexist. He seems like a dick but I still like the elric books

He led a campaign to have it moved to the porn shelves along with the rest of the porn.

Try the "Temeraire" series by Naomi Novik. Unique mix between fantasy and historic fiction.

I don't like Moorcock at all, but this guy totally did rip off Elric.

And Dungeons and Dragons (and by extension literally every role playing game that has ever existed).

Yeah, I'm not talking positive or negative, but purely the size of their impact. An illustration that would prove my point is this: if, even prior to 2001 when the LotR movies came out, you were to grab ten random people off the street and asked them which name they recognized, Moorcock or Tolkien, I would bet that maybe more than half the people would know who Tolkien was while perhaps none would know Moorcock. I personally only discovered Moorcock after exhausting several other series and scouring the internet for suggestions. I don't begrudge Moorcock his impact and influence, but Tolkien is a household name and has been for many decades.

That's what I meant by he isn't as explicitly recognized. But having a formative role in RPGs as a whole, changing the shape of comic books, and thrusting Ursula Le Guin and Philip K. Dick (you know, the guy who wrote the book that Bladerunner was based on) into the limelight is a fucking HUGE impact, whether people know his name or not.

Undeniably the star saber.

Terminus Est you turbophilistines.

I confess I haven't read the Grimm tales, but it's not like all Tolkien's contemporaries were using old fairy tale creatures to create complex imaginary worlds. I think you're confusing my post for a shameless declaration that Tolkien invented mythology.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Tolkien fanboys really need to neck themselves.
I'm sure you're the same tard that says everyone still rips off Tolkien.

Not only that, if you listen closely another guy then yells out "Terminus" - after "Terminus Est", the sword from Gene Wolfe's "New Sun" series.

Read up on the Grim Brothers, and how people viewed fantasy before that. If it wasn't for them breaking the barriers, Tolkien would not have reached where he is now.

Torrent of 3000+ fantasy novels:
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Seeding has finished now, download should be quick.

anybody here fuck with warhammer? I was thinking about getting into the 40k universe and have been told about a few different starting points. Is ravenor a good place to begin?

Post your favourite sf&f short stories I'll get the back rolling

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