Are Koreans the most anti-intellectual culture?

Literally all Asians are like this.

Asians are social autists

Porn is banned in current year in Korea, thats why K-POP exists as a softcore porn alternative disguised as '''''''''''''music''''''''''''' for example

Korea seems to have taken the consumerist culture to new extremes. It's like they all live in a waterpark advertisement or something. It seems like a very inauthentic place, without any real culture. At least that is my view as an American who has only experienced Korea secondhand through media.

I don't believe that the US is ANY better in this regard. Probably, it's much worse.

>a very inauthentic place, without any real culture. At least that is my view as an American
>my view as an American
>as an American

Jesus Christ, it must be real bad.

It isn't. They ape America.
Asians sound like Veeky Forums eugenicists sometimes.
They embrace whatever is dominant and feel no need to shout "kangz"-tier resentment against the new overlord.
So American dominance to them seems like the way of nature and that's what they're supposed to emulate.
And about themselves they can be really self-deprecating. Like a Taiwanese girl I talked to said she had loser genes because the ROC had to flee from the communists, thus proving the PRC possesses superior genetics or some weird shit.
Honestly, Asian societies are extremely conservative and see everything going on as "how things are supposed to be" and never as a matter of contingency.

Even with all its problems the USA is still the best country to live, I know its relative so I would understand someone saying a euro country would have a better culture, but definitely not an asian

That's what you get for living in Detroit dingus.

No one here is gonna say it but what has the Asian world produced since Confucianism? Real works of brilliance musically and philosophically, that is.

Not very much. I think whites are good at creation and making something of their higher tendency towards individualism and introspection, Asians just seem kind of good at coding and maths.

I know I'm trotting out tired stereotypes from a 19th century understanding of sociology but hear me out because I can't explain the gap in Asian/white innovation for the life of me and the OP is right, I've been to Asian countries and there's a noticeable lack of... spice? Ambition to be great? It seems to me they would rather all be uniformly good than individually great, but now I'm just pontificating.

>a creation of america to try their pysops shit is a souless piece of shit
what a surprise.
This is the endgame of capitalism, remember kiddos

Wait till you visit Arabia

That one band of underage girls that does death metal.

I think that's just part of their culture, they value conformity and a strong society rather than individual genius. Confucianism is based on respect for authority and knowing one's place, while western society has been centered around the individual since the Enlightenment. That's not to say that they can't accomplish great things, they just have a different culture and mindset.

>No one here is gonna say it but what has the Asian world produced since Confucianism

A good third of the entertainment the West consumes comes out of Japan: Anime, the whole Nintendo, Capcom, Square Enix franchises.

This internet site we're talking on is an emulation of Japanese image board as well.

To me this kinda proves Spengler's thesis that when a civilization has concluded its late stage, it can have an arrested afterlife in which the civilization persists in an ossified form, with further development having ceased.

I want to agree with people who view it from this perspective and I understand that they haven't had a renaissance nor an enlightenment, but we're not talking about a few big things, we're talking about a gulf of innovative endeavor from Beethoven to space travel. Even the most conformist Western countries, many of whom didn't directly experience such heavy influence from liberal philosophies, have produced vastly more than the Asian world.

>what has the Asian world produced
>cites image boards, Mario Kart, and cartoon pornography

I can't tell if this is a serious answer and you're just an aspie if you're fucking with me

>late stage

maybe, but pretty much everyone who ever wrote a book contended civilization as the paradigm we know it was at its end

That list does the opposite of what you think it does.

>Its another weeb think shitty society with cancer culture and overcomplicated language who will be dead in less than 100years is better than western civilization

>I didn't meet anyone in China who gave a flying fuck about the ancient literature or anything that doesn't make a buck.
Imagine you're a tourist in the USA. How long till you meet anyone who gives a fuck about ancient literature out anything that doesn't make a buck?

half of USA is poor as fuck, much of that in poverty. No it is not the best country to live. There are dozens that are superior

China is pretty fucked up, not only they got raped as fuck so they are basically all subhumans mix breeds but they don't try to change that, their culture is literal dog eat dog world

They probably had the best culture, but after communism/Mao and shit they are now basically BR/Aussies from the east and a little bit worse than their western counterparts

Nigger, I live in Brazil

I'd suck a dick and clean toilets happily if someone gave me a decent home and food over there

Why in the US specifically, where there's no free healthcare, the education is garbage, and the colleges cost a fortune?

>14% poverty rate is half
Fuck off brainlet

Cuz uma delicia

No country has free healthcare, retard.

I have lived in Korea for 2 years. It is a much more authentic place than America with much better people. All around it is a better place, offering a more quality life. OP is fucking high. I plan on never going back to the US. It is miserable there. Everything OP lists as negatives I actually don't see here...but I see it in the US.. Fuck, I hope I never go back

Keep in mind that the Chinese were light years ahead of everyone else in terms of innovation and civilizational achievement up until just a few centuries ago. Gunpowder, rocketry, manuafacturing, political ethics, chemistry, the printing press, etc. etc. It was only until the renaissance and wealth coming back from the New World that Europe was able to surpass the Chinese (thanks, in part, to technologies they borrowed from them.)
I think you're underestimating the power of culture and how it influences people. Latin America, genetically non-white but a child of enlightenment culture, is well known for it's poetry, literature, etc. And Asian countries are making many new innovations in fields of science and technology. The west might be special, but I don't think there is any inherent defect in the East that would prevent them from making the same kinds of innovations.

Because you still live a pretty independent life over there, you can do your own shit, make your own money and your culture is amazing, you speak english naturally and even your worst cities are a paradise compared to most third world

On Brazil you live on a forced socialism, the real is shit compared to the dollar, the culture is utter-cancer ( most people are functional alphabets, they can't into literature ) and you are raped by taxes everywhere, the Fedex over here is a monopoly with shitty service and you can't even own a gun to protect yourself from criminals who lurk everywhere

>''but muh waifu''

There's a "pay for your own shit" popular sentiment, even if you hav to take a loan for it

Ultimately, it backfires on everyone but the top 10%, who own all the credit debt

But that's very different.
Americans have been unrooted by the very fact their ancestors moved there. Of course they don't give a flying fuck about anything pre-migration.
Asians in Asia didn't unroot themselves by movement, but by culturally cutting themselves off from their past.

I think that might give Zizkek a hard-on, but I don't know if it's all such good news.

It's almost as if anime was the inetivable final evolution of japanese art

what makes you think the west is any different?
try talking "high culture" with some random in the nyc subway or whatever lmao

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. Maybe I'll chalk it up to mean test. levels or something, but I've been around a lot of cultures and know enough to know that people will eschew all boundaries as soon as they're in private/it interests them/it feels better.

I have no hope for the Latin world to become a major innovator. To be blunt, I just don't see a way in which they produce many innovators without the requisite IQ, not to mention the brain drain they're experiencing where even moderately smart people are fleeing.

As for as the Asian world becoming an engine of innovation: It could happen as you say, but we won't be around for the next few centuries to see how it plays out. I have certainly read interesting things coming out of Chinese genetics labs.

>high culture

Nice spook my friends :^)

I don't think the OP isn't having "the average man doesn't read Plato" sperg complaint. I think what he is trying to say that an intellectual elite of any sort is completely non-existent over there.

In Europe, Aus, NZ and the US you at least have a class of people who think life is more than slaving away at your STEM job, boasting about it and how you'll retire at age 45 on a Nepalese thangka appreciation board.

These two posts get to the crux of the matter. The first poster's chart (nice one, btw) illustrates the main point: that white people are the creators of our world. East Asians have very nice societies with low crime, smart people, and their own thing going on; but they aren't white people. Why would anyone expect them to suddenly begin innovating when they have no history of being innovative? This is an example of a white construct being propelled onto non-whites. There is a reason why whites have produced 97% of all innovation. And it's the same reason why when you trace every civilization (even those in China) back to their roots you find that (Indo) Europeans were there at the time. This is ultimate redpill: civilization and innovation is fundamentally European. Other people cannot do it to even a fraction of the extent. Even groups like east Asians who score higher on IQ tests cannot do it because they evolved in anti-individualist societies. There is no creative spirit. Same with jews: high IQ but tribal and completely lacking creativity. IQ isn't everything. Far from it. When you see people running through the Gobi desert, climbing the highest peaks, swimming to the bottom of the ocean, studying the beetles of the Amazon, mapping the earth, building space ships to explore the cosmos, jumping out of airplanes ... these are things white people do. They are ventures fueled by our unique creative spirit. And that's why white people must separate themselves from others. We must protect this unique aspect of ourselves and relearn to appreciate who we are.

>propelled onto non-whites
Is English your second language?

I actually tried to think of a more accurate word. Propelled was not optimal. No, though.

Capitalism. Japan and South Korea are literal labs for american entrepreneurs and experiments in free market capitalism. Their God is consumerism. They barely have a national culture left and are ridden with catastrophical sociological and mental health problems that turns half the population into permanently single, childless neurotic wrecks with repressed memories from cram school grinding, late nights playing Starcraft and shitty simulacra pop music. That is, when they aren't trying to push their collective trauma regarding WWII/ Korea War under the rug by indulging in ironic media. They are the USA, but even more hellish and completely lacking in personal identity

good job making 48 posts in this retarded thread in a little over an hour when you could have made posts in threads that were actually about literature you enormous fucking faggots.

Literally none of this true.

There is no such thing as an intellectual culture. The masses make up most of the practice of culture, and the masses are anti-intellectual by definition. There has never been a civilization in history where intellectuals were anything other than a minuscule substrata of the population.

Native Korean here. I don't know how to weigh my country against the US in this respect, but I would say, based on my experiences living in both countries, that it's about the same. The only difference is that Korea has been playing catch up for the last few several decades, having been located smack dab in the middle of a concentration of aggressive world powers with a stockpile of useful resources just waiting to be grabbed. Korea was under a great deal of censorship during Japanese rule, and that has led to a pretty sad lack of foundation to Korean culture. Many of the foundational Korean literature texts, in fact, were written in Chinese. We have tradition, and we have a culture, but it is a very unstable one, having been cut off at an era when other nations were creating foundational works of literature, and revamped at the zenith of materialism and commercialism. I think this instability plays a big role in the sense of Korean national identity: we known to be both paradoxically extremely nationalistic and yet also painfully self-critical, a reflection I think of the desire to embrace our new found economic success and cultural freedom, and yet hatred of the sense of emptiness and insignificance that underlies it. There are many Koreans who recognize this, but few that are willing to make a difference, because of the disastrous economic situation -- not in the sense of standard of living, etc. but in the work place environment, which is heavily militaristic due to a cultural bleed over from the mandatory military service, and the terrible youth employment rate, causing people these days to be thrown in the deep end of the capitalistic pool at an astoundingly young age. (I'm sure you've heard about Korean high schools). Why attempt to build up Korean culture when you need to survive? Koreans have placed their hopes in figures like Ko Un, for the time being, and there is, in fact, a Korean literary revolution going on. I hope to be able to contribute what little I can to aid in this cultural reconstruction. Though Korea has the confucianistic principles engrained in its very language and a military structure in its work place, I do think that the problem of so called lack of individuality is not as applicable any more, these american principles rubbing off more and more on the younger generation with each day. The Korean cultural quirk of paying for each other's meals is fading away, and it's considered "in the know" to go dutch. And yet, in this respect, Korea is still going through growing pains, as the astronomically high suicide rate of Koreans is actually, contrary to popular belief, not high school students, but the elderly, unable to adapt to the principles of individualism, expectant of the son to play the traditional conservative role of caretaker of his parents, and yet finding more and more often that they both do not and cannot do so, and so left alone, feeling abandoned, betrayed.

>They are ventures fueled by our unique creative spirit. And that's why white people must separate themselves from others. We must protect this unique aspect of ourselves and relearn to appreciate who we are.

I agree.
We must separate white people from non-whites.
We must rid our societies of inferiority.
Non-whites are the biggest source of that inferiority, because of this lack of creativity, as you say.

After that we can get rid of the inferior whites, those who are:
Less intelligent
Less attractive
Diseased
Have predispositions to mental disorders and addiction
Have learning disabilities

We need a race of renaissance men and women.
Men who can construct prose, who can reason philosophy and mathematics, who can conduct science, who can create art, who can stay at the forefront of athletic performance, and so on.

We must purify our societies. It is insufficient to get rid of non-whites.

The vacuum produced by getting rid of non-whites will always be filled with inferior whites.
We must have a program of eugenics to ensure we do not slip into mediocrity.

It is our moral duty to excise any impurities and inferiority in our society.

You're an American, right?
That would explain why you hold that dumbass "erry tiem periud kinda deh same" idea.

impose, foist, inflict, obtrude, institute, decree, ordain, promulgate, etc
Just to list a few, you fucking brainlet :^)

You're jewish, aren't you? It's sad how twisted you people really are. How jews have this double standard that they alone can have an ethnostate while attempting to discredit whites who express the same sentiments and wish to separate themselves from jews. This is the reaction of a parasite. But to try to do such a thing in this odd a fashion online is also an excellent example of uniqueness, that of the sick jewish mind. They have no appreciation of beauty or greatness, they think only in terms of subversion and destruction of others.

korean "culture"

Interesting. What is happening with this literary revolution? What are its demographics? Subject matter? The nature of its intellectual discourse, respectful or not? Does it actually encourage serious thought, or rely on stereotypes and slogans and political power? What are its origins? Sorry for the barrage of questions, it is just very interesting to know that a country facing the same economic conditions as America is undergoing what seems to be a serious intellectual change and emergence of an intense, rigorous dialog whereas America is doing the exact opposite, heading back to a state of tribalism and simple-think

May I change it to "improperly associated with," dear synonym-san?

Atlantis

So what are some up-and-coming Korean writers/poets?

Having to work 50-60h a week may have a lot to do with the lack of intellectuality in the little leisure time they have

Funnily eniugh, Russia is the ultimate intellectual country.

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Sounds like you just visited the wrong Korea.

>whereas America is doing the exact opposite, heading back to a state of tribalism

South Korea is 95% Korean. America has gone from 90% white to 60% since 1965. Why would the two states be comparable and why would what is happening in America given what I just said be in any way surprising?

Have you ever been to Russia?

Russia *has* a lot of intellectuals, yet most of the population is impoverished, jingoist bydlo

>Are Koreans the most anti-intellectual culture?

Ever been to Central America? Derp into the Bible Belt? On a pro-Erdogan rally in Turkey?

>the printing press

Lol, no, this is historical affirmative action. Chinese block printing was vastly inferior to Gutenberg's press. Europeans actually used the Chinese method of printing to make cheap books for poor people.

All printing presses in Asia are based on European designs.

No, that would be Japan. Once their older generation dies they will be left with nothing but smartphone addicted slaves whose deepest reading is Light Novels

I sometimes wonder what's going to become of all of us. What happens when I'm an old man, and the world has changed beyond all recognition? I don't like the changes that are happening right now, so how will I deal with things in fifty years? I'll probably let some nice Pakistani lady usher me into a euthanasia chamber while I babble about old books nobody has heard of in decades.

>5493▶
> (OP)

Nice lisp.

Apparantly you're a low genetic breed loser for even pondering these questions, for even wondering if modernity's the right way.

Only high genetic 40 page resume alpha's with 5000 tinder matches will survive in this brave new world.

>in my day, we read...we read stories, things that never even happened! they were there in the books! whole worlds, in the books!
>of course, grandpa
>it's not white people's fault, they lived in a different time

dope

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>All Culture is anti-intellectual

whoa there friendo, better slow down.

Pop mv based on Demian
Concept developed by the group leader
>IQ 148
youtube.com/watch?v=hmE9f-TEutc

Pop mv and song based on Paradise Lost
idk iq, the girl's hot af though
youtube.com/watch?v=4i32ANEa5mk

Filipinos are worse. They totally live in the material world. There is zero sense of any sort of applicable gnostic thought.

Latest superhero movie out?
They have to see it.

It's total and irredeemable shit?
Doesn't matter.

Try and find one that has read any sort of literature.

And maybe I'm just being a privileged white guy because I never grew up in abject poverty and thus do not need to escape anything so my appreciations of materialism are dour.
But it's still completely blows my mind how you can happily consume shit.

ITT: Suburbanites jerking off with abstractions

the phillipines are a brown 3th world country, where many have to struggle for survival daily. it's understandable they don't have a high degree of sophistication.

south korea, on the other hand, is (almost) as wealthy as western europe; people should have the opportunity to pursue sophistication.

Codings and maths >>> music and philosophy

>Russian intellectuals

No country has 'free' fire engines or roads then.

Anti-intellectualism != non-intellectualism.

Most places prioritize economic strength over art. Most people prefer consuming art rather than creating it. Korea is not unique in that regard (which I don't mean as a slight, just as a matter of course).

Capitalism - not even once
the only reason europe has hold out so well is because we had a shitton of high culture b4 but give us another 50 years and we will be the same culutreless, materialistic shithole

>Capitalism - not even once
Exactly. I mean look how well removing all that capitalism worked out for Venezuela.

>I mean look how well removing all that capitalism worked out for Venezuela

Please argue about what would have happened to it otherwise and give reasons why.

>Please argue about what would have happened to it otherwise and give reasons why.
Pre-socialism: was either one of or the wealthiest countries in Central America (can't remember which). Post-socialism: now one of the poorest if not THE poorest despite having the largest oil reserves on the planet.

Underrated

and...what? you want to take that away from them? are they not commie enough for you?

Ok, I thought as much.

Filipinos are retarded but about on par with SE Asia in general. I lived in Korea for two years and NE Asians are obviously smarter and less violent than SE Asians, but they have their own issues. Working in Korean megatropolis offices as a foreigner, and this goes for Asia in general, they just ignore you. You are not a part of their world, and that's both good and bad. You are an alien, inhuman, some weird big-nosed freak. But no one fucks with you and Asian chicks dig it, they're all over it. Good and bad. Although the experience taught me a lot about race, and I'm a white nationalist now partly because of it, I have no disrespect for Koreans. They are nice people and Korea is a nice country. Beautiful women, good expat community in Itaewon, fun major city, just don't be one of those idiots who stays there forever.

"projected" you goddamn fucking retards

I'm pretty sure that every society is like this. That's why I hate cultural egalitarianism. It makes life fun for all but a few.

Canada and Australia are probably worst in the Anglosphere.