Was Christianity a mistake for Europe?

What's wrong with the current pope? Tbh, he seems like the least divisive one I can remember, and he's actually giving the church the appearance of being Christian due to the focus on love, acceptance and tolerance. Earlier popes saying "I don't like what you're doing, stop doing that" based on their own opinions just pushes people away from the church desu

I was writing a whole post about why I think Francis is a terrible pope, but I got halfway through it and realised that I’m not going to change some Redditor’s mind so why bother? Go back there.

weak b8 desu

Are you implying hating the sin is not biblical?

I bet that's exactly what jesus would do.

Just defaulting to hating things when the Bible doesn't necessarily support hating those things is not biblical, yes

Sure you were.

Czech it out

List of actual mistakes in Europe :

Catharism
William of Ockham
Templars burnt by the asshole king Philip IV Le Bel
Neoplatonism
Pagan revival/Humanism and Renaissance overall
Reformation
Descartes
Enlightment
French Revolution
Napoleon
Industrialization
Crimean war
WW1
WW2
Vatican II (yet SSPX and SSP preserved Catholicism from it)
Neo-paganism

This desu

Doesn't matter, the paleolithic European genes would still be there regardless of what religion one would adhere to.

>no neolithic revolution
get out pleb

de Benoist doesn't have a single original idea. All these neo-pagans are armchair neo-pagans. They're atheists who think it's cool to larp muh heritage shit that hasn't existed for millenia.

Heidegger tried the whole "Christianity was a mistake, let's go neopagan" and he gave us Derrida and Judith Butler.

If you want a good critique of human rights read Alasdair "Human Rights are emotivist" Macintyre.

Find me a single neo-pagan system that isn't just syncretic Islam. Varg's world view is closer to monotheistic Islam than it is to any pre-Socratic or Roman religion.

Turanic expansion, Byzantine throne games, mass psychology, feminism, socialism, capitalism, national socialism, republicanism...

>Heidegger tried the whole "Christianity was a mistake, let's go neopagan"
What the hell
>neo-pagan system that isn't just syncretic Islam
What the hell (again)

The only mistake was not wiping christians off the face of the earth

Heidegger is the only neo-pagan to not have a system that is crypto-Islam.

All other neo-pagan larpers are just henotheists who have replaced Allah with Zeus/Odin etc. Watch Varg's vid where he says that all Europeans worshipped the same god but by a different name.

They can't escape a conception of an eternal god, which was Heidegger's critique. Instead they have a "le manly warrior" henotheistic religion which isn't far off from Islam.

Varg and most neo-pagans would convert to Islam if it were a 100% white religion. Varg admits that he would prefer his kids convert to Islam if it would still preserve their blonde hair and blue eyes.

In my view, true Christianity never fully took place among Europeans. Only in a few places, during a few generations. Calvinist Geneva, Presbyterian Scotland, Protestant England and Puritan America.

>Heidegger
>neo-pagan

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Yeah, we get it, frog poster. You're too dumb to realize Heidegger is neo-pagan who wants you to worship finite gods and then accept oblivion. Anything else is "idolatry." Not even Heidegger can escape Judeo-Christian morality. He still rails against idols despite having de-strukted meaning.

dont forget G*rmany

>Neoplatonism
uhmmm.. no sweety.. xxx

>Enlightenment
>Industrialisation

>socialism
>capitalism

>christweenies can't even understand the separation of church and state and the fact that the state should be blind to the ideology and not grant or remove special favours based on ideology even though it's the central foundation of the foundation of America

lol

Caitlyn is a Christian and Ricky Gervais is pretty funny, so I don't see anything wrong with him

Yes. Haven't read the book, though.

The Christianity of old was at least halfway respectable, though, due to the aristocratic leadership and genuine belief. The Spanish Inquisition was quite good actually. The crusades showed vigour, even though I couldn't care less about the "holy land". There's even something to be said for Protestant work ethic.

The servile morality and the Middle-Eastern origin make it absolute cancer with the democracy of today, where it is easily manipulated by Jews with their "Judeo-Christian" narrative. The happy clappy idiots welcoming refugees doesn't help either.

I wish the Nazis had replaced it with "muh paganism".

>The Spanish Inquisition was quite good actually

>t. marrano
just read serious sources fucking faggot

Can you please tell me what your understanding of neo-paganism is in more detail? Who all would be included in that? What do you base this opinion on?

Mercantilism is the way to go, lad. Kill the bankers, don't teach the proles how to read.

Not ending the jewish threat was. The holohoax didn't happen but it should have.

Did you know (((they))) referred to burnt offerings sacrificed to the Lord as "holocausts"? Take that in for a moment, savor your keks.

The Catholic Church is the sole reason why the fragments and sometimes whole pieces of works from the classical world have come down to us.

To quote Macaulay: she is the ark of which we read in the Book of Genesis; for a thousand years after the fall of Rome, she alone rode, above darkness and tempest, on the deluge beneath which all the great works of ancient power and ancient wisdom lay entombed, carrying within her the germ that would give rise to a second and still more glorious european civilization.

the renaissance was only bad for thought, not art. fucking romans man, why couldnt they have rediscovered the greeks instead

The English had English saints, who, unlike the gods, actually existed. I would rather honor (dullia, not latria) a great man like Bede than some tree god. Traditions/festivals/local customs/etc continued throughout the Christian period.

Take Descartes out and I'm absolutely with you.

It originally targeted the Cathars, who were absolutely insane and evil.

Descartes was a devout Catholic who would have been horrified at what his philosophy led to

Frankly Descartes always felt like the kind of man who appreciated reason, but if it conflicted with his catholicism would throw it away.
Neoplatonism and the Enlightenment were fucking cults.

the irony of this post makes me smirk

This, sort of, corporatization and the dehumanization of workers as being nothing more than easily replaced cogs in a wheel where you can just use and abuse them and walk away with fortunes in your pockets as you leave the areas, communities and to an extent environment itself in a state of such deep disarray and destruction.

>Not advocating for socialism or communism

i hope it tickled your wickedly handsome nihilistic self

bump

>Heidegger tried the whole "Christianity was a mistake, let's go neopagan
For like what? 1% of his lifetime? Hediegger didn't like neo-pagans, he thinks of them as much as he thinks of Greece and it's tourism industry

pro tip : He hates it.

>Tbh, he seems like the least divisive one I can remember, and he's actually giving the church the appearance of being Christian due to the focus on love, acceptance and tolerance
So basically he's being a faggot and appealing to faggots that have no fucking clue about Christianity (as well as those who want to virtue signal as Christians without actually being christian). Possibly the MOST heretical thing he's done is say "lol you can go to heaven even if you're not Catholic!1!"
This directly goes against the whole "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" thing

So Christ was a faggot? Really makes me think.

That in no way implies you have to be to Catholic to get into heaven lmao. That can also be interpreted in many ways, for example, if you follow jesus' teachings, and many moral systems align with those teachings, then you get into heaven. There's not even any reason to assume "cometh unto the father" means go to heaven, it could mean have a personal connection with God while you're one earth, or be with God in heaven. Maybe if jesus didn't give such vague teachings, when you were being a whiny faggot denouncing things you don't like as heresy, you'd be correct. The ironic thing is you're the one who has no fucking clue about Christianity, because you're assuming your specific interpretation is correct without evidence, despite other interpretations even being more convincing - for example, the "follow teachings" method of getting into heaven is more in line with an omnibenevolent God

>Caitlyn is a Christian
The castrated former Olympic athlete formerly known as Bruce is the metaphysical opposite of a Christian.

I don't think she's been castrated, and how exactly is she the metaphysical opposite of a Christian?

>being so autistic you go out of your way to specify the pre-transition individual
Cringe

We fell at the beginning and we will keep falling until the end of time.

>The servile morality and the Middle-Eastern origin make it absolute cancer with the democracy of today
It's the liberalism that is cancer, not the democracy. There had been Catholic democracies in city-states during the Middle Ages. Dante should be considered the ideal of a democratic statesman.

wow, nice bait, it would be a shame if I fell for it

>if I call everything I don't like bait I never have to defend or substantiate my nonsensical claims
Nice approach xD

Bruce Banner's life is a travesty of the highest degree. He rejected his god-given properties to transcend his own essence, which is a futile effort. Essence precedes existence and you cannot invert that as a Christian. Get rekt.

Also no gays and effeminates according to the Bible:

>A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

> Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

>Bruce Banner
Holy shit, I freuded the heck out of that. But yes, in a way Jenner's transition to Caitlyn mimicks the grotesque transformation into the Hulk.

>Bruce Banner's life is a travesty of the highest degree

Seriously it's fucking grotesque.

How do you know his essence wasn't female? Biological mistakes happen

Weird, I don't remember any of those quotes coming from jesus, yet he's the only who's never wrong and the only one who doesn't just spout opinion

>Biological mistakes happen

Exhibit A: (You)

>his essence
Now I know you're just shitposting.

Not an argument

Her essence, whatever, I don't care and that's not an attempt at a substantive refutation

I wish Europe had spirituality without Gods, like Buddhism. An authority for good behaviour, with reverence for humanity. A response to the epidemic of selfish ugliness

Well, it does en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence_for_Life

But that Buddhism sucks as a religion, it has no community imperative

Rome was a decadent shithole by then.

What’s to say we can’t repurpose existing Christian theology, and attempt to cast mass computerisation(immersion at the expense of real life in particular) as another Tower of Babel. I feel like that gives us a good basis.

> ignoring Italy

And we need another movement to preserve us today since society is going full Fahrenheit 451.

Live the examined life, literally start with the Greeks. Particulary the Stoics, who you may find share many parallels with Christians.

Read my post again, I'm saying that Calvinism is true biblical Christianity. Those were the countries where it was expressed. However I do agree that Italy achieved a lot, being one of the oldest Christian expressions in Europe.

>true Christianity
>ignores almost the entire body of the Church Fathers
really transsubstantiates my brain cells

You think that Calvinists ignore the entire body of the Church Fathers? Do you know the author that Calvin cited the most? Augustine.
It is a complete misconception that the early Church Fathers were all unified and all in agreement with the Roman Catholic Church.

That was an Asian mistake

>wilfully misinterpreting Augustine and denying the holy tradition of the Church
Enjoy purgatory, heretic.

Saying Catholicism isn’t true Christianity is as retarded as saying Leninism isn’t true communism.

>Christcuck larpers.
Love how nu-atheist turned to nu-christians just because Peterson made 1 video.

now who might you be?

No, it was just another form of political capital. If it wasn't Christianity it would have been something else equally enticing.

p.s. not religious

Purgatory. One of many doctrines that once did not exist but is now an infallible dogma of the Roman Catholic Church.

People fought for centuries to be free from grovelling worship of the environment as a food source, the sky or it's self-proclaimed prophets.
Now you mourn the gap that is actually your freedom and look to the primitive, diseased and idiotic past for some way to larp yourself back into a box.

Doesn't matter. You're going straight to hell anyway.

>Christian Europe conquer the world
>Atheist Europe is conquered by Islam within one generation

Hmmmmmm

So we have to return to year 1000? Seriously?

>It originally targeted the Cathars, who were absolutely insane and evil.

insane? world-denying dualism as unstable unhealty worldview okay i can see that. how were they evil though? i thought they were a peaceful and benevolent community who just got legit shoah'd by the (((Catholic Church))) for being heretics that don't worship (((Yahweh)))?

>yes, islam is the true answer
when jesus wake up for armageddon he has big surprise lol

absolutely not

not really, if it hadn't been christianity another monotheistic religion would've spread. the problem was the church abusing their power and misinterpreting the bible. it's important to understand that the concept of the bible being metaphorical and more like the philosophical and moral guidelines to establishing a stable society, instead of some magic book, was and sadly still is foreign to most people. the bible contains tons of really good and effective code of ethics that are boiled down so that everyone can understand them, even if the reason for following them is because 'you'll burn in hell'. people should respect their christian heritage more even if they don't believe in god.

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>and he's actually giving the church the appearance of being Christian due to the focus on love, acceptance and tolerance

Citations on why these "virtues" represent Christianity?