Accomplishment Edition >what new knowledge did you learn from sff books in 2017? >what new joys did you encounter from sff books in 2017? >how many books did you explore?
>how many books did you explore? We still have 2 more days.
Blake Lewis
What are some uncommon structures that are much less used than the 3-act structure.
Andrew Phillips
>73 books have you ever touched something with mire than 400 pages?
John Scott
Not OP, but I read about that many in 2016, including all of Malazan.
Grayson Jenkins
That's a fair question. I read The Count of Monte Cristo this year, and it took me about a month! That's a lot of time for a book. I'm at 31 for the year. Several have been very long. I'm reading Oathbringer right now, and while it's light reading, the fucking thing is still, what, 1200 pages?
Angel Brown
Has anyone else noticed how fantasy books always have the same few authors circle jerking each others' books on the front- and back cover? I don't know what they're called in English, but those shitty mini-reviews meant to entice you. Even random shit books do it, but when you've read a few fantasy books you start to notice the pattern. Do they do it willingly, I wonder, or is it just mutually beneficial shilling...
Jeremiah Anderson
>what new knowledge did you learn? gene wolfe can write >what new joys did you encounter? r.a salvatore's drizzt books are way better than i thought they'd be back when someone gave them to me as a gift, telling me they were good. i sort of wrote them off as trash dungeon n dragons fanfiction but they were pretty good. >how many books did you explore? as far as sff, not much. seems like everything in this genre is over 400 pages which really bogs down book read per year. which is fine cause its not about how many books you read.
Christopher Myers
probably mutually beneficial. if sanderson's quote made it onto my book you'd bet id say something nice about his.
Alexander White
i am thinking of reding sanderson but i need to know does he have feminist shit? like role reversal?
Kevin Smith
Out of the 75 books I read this year 3 were Warhammer novels, I reread Lotr and New Sun and that's it as far as sffg goes.
Hudson Taylor
his books really mostly all are about how useless men are and women should be in all dominant positions in everything.
Tyler Gray
really? then why everyone on sffg read him?
Blake Brown
It's filled with retards or people who want anime. In most cases the groups coincide
Leo Davis
I must've started reading 50 books this year while only finishing about 10 of them...
Henry Wilson
>Knowledge I gathered: My granddad collected SciFi books. >Joys I did encounter: He owned everything from the storyline of "Perry Rhodan" (German SciFi Series, since 1961) from 1961 up to 2007. >How many books? Except for "Perry Rhodan", a full HumbleBundle and the "Eragon" series.
BTW, what do you guys think of the current Humble Book Bundle?
Brandon Foster
>what new knowledge did you learn from sff books in 2017? I realized that there's literally nothing wrong with incest. >what new joys did you encounter from sff books in 2017? The joy of archeology. Both Lovecraft and H.G Wells were amazing authors. >how many books did you explore? 43 or 44, depending on how much I read tomorrow.
James Lee
>i realized that there's literally nothing wrong with incest
Daniel Cook
Gotta finish 1984 in the next 2 days to get my goal of 6 books. Not sure if I'm going to try for 12 next year or not. My only goal is to read Altered Carbon before the Netflix show comes out.
Jacob Jackson
Ok so i just read wot and its fucking amazing any other good wotlike books(i.e messianic characters)?
Mason Roberts
On a similar note, I read many SFF books this year, averaging fifty pages a day; and yet I was unable to bring myself to finish a number of well regarded volumes: Poul Anderson's Broken Sword, Olaf Stapledon's Star Maker, Alfred Bester's The Demolished Man. I could see that they were all well written, and I was able to finish far more mundane longer works, but these were all re-shelved after a hundred pages because they didn't interest me. Stapledon is the most interesting case because I enjoy the likes of Wells and Lovecraft.
My point is that critical accolades, popularity, and a like of similar authors is still no reliable indication of whether someone will enjoy reading a book.
Jack Wright
Why Veeky Forums didn't said to me that Clarke is a fucking hack?
Jackson Sanchez
It would get tiresome.
Levi Cook
What bizarre alternate-universe Sanderson novels have you been reading?
Joshua Campbell
Isaac clarke? ARE YOU FUCKING WITH ME HE IS A GOD
Juan Russell
...
Ethan Powell
Jo-Ha-Kyu, it's the traditional Japanese style of making the ending suck on purpose and it's why most of your animes start out strong but peter out in the last few episodes.
Samuel Martinez
You should have picked that up in high school.
Nathaniel Cox
WHEEL OF TIME FUCK YEAH!
Hunter Thomas
Space Opera And Planetary Romance
>Golden Age Pulp Magazines Northwest Smith stories by C.L. Moore Erik John Stark stories and Solar System stories by Leigh Brackett
>1960s New Wave Babel-17 and Nova by Samuel R. Delany The Centauri Device by M. John Harrison Dune by Frank Herbert
>Modern Hyperion by Dan Simmons Revelation Space series by Alastair Reynolds The Algebraist by Ian M. Banks
What are some other works Veeky Forums would recommend? They must not only be fun, but also well written
Jordan Johnson
So Sanderson's "mystery project" is revealed to be a new non Cosmere propertycaller Skyward
"The official pitch is this: Defeated, crushed, and driven almost to extinction, the remnants of the human race are trapped on a planet that is constantly attacked by mysterious alien starfighters. Spensa, a teenage girl living among them, longs to be a pilot. When she discovers the wreckage of an ancient ship, she realizes this dream might be possible—assuming she can repair the ship, navigate flight school, and (perhaps most importantly) persuade the strange machine to help her. Because this ship, uniquely, appears to have a soul."
He said think scifi version of "boy and his dragon" story
Austin Collins
This sounds like the synopsis of a Robert Heinlein juvenile by way of Star Wars - a young woman living a humdrum existence dreams to be a pilot. Expect mean parents, a staunch companion, a salty old mentor, and a love interest. A man like Sanderson could probably write this without breaking a sweat because it sounds very derivative indeed - potentially an entertaining 180 page book that will be at least 400.
Gabriel Diaz
That reminds me of Dragon Masters, which is also a scifi version of the "Boy and his dragon" story where the remnants of the human race are trapped on a planet constantly attacked by mysterious aliens. I highly recommend it.
Adam Sanchez
Lies! Basically different gender roles because guess what? It's a different role. And there's talk of it once people start getting super powers and how that impacts women's role in the army and shizzz. Not obnoxious at all
James Reyes
IS THORN OF EMBERLAIN OUT YET?
SOMEONE LOCK SOYBOY LYNCH IN A ROOM WITH HIS LAPTOP UNTIL HE FINISHES IT
Jose Morris
Why aren't you lurking the fuck more, ESLfag? Headbutt a railroad spike then ask your mother why she didn't have the sense to swallow you.
Easton Evans
Those quotes are called "blurbs", my ESL friend.
Publishing houses have their authors shill each other in blurbs. I don't know whether the authors are contractually obligated or whether they're paid individually but that's why you see the same ones over and over. A typical tactic is for publishers to have their big boys write blurbs for newcomers/midlist authors to get the hype up, although of course the A-listers "circle jerk" each other as well.
Jace Thomas
>over 400 pages which really bogs down book read per year I have this same problem. I fix it by going to used book store and buying old books; they're rarely over 200 pages.
Nathan Howard
I read Choose Your Own Adventure, Where's Waldo, and comic books because it allows me to really drive up my book count for the year.
Benjamin Rivera
This is the third time you've posted this; the last two times I replied to you and got zero response. Fuck off.
Camden Fisher
I'm not recommending them to drive up the number of books read. They're just less bloated. Given the choice between reading a second-rate author's trilogy of 400 page books and reading six second-rate standalones I'll take the latter every time. The opportunity cost is lower, you get a greater diversity of reading experience, and you cycle through authors and stories faster which makes it easier to identify gems.
Really the whole field would be improved if authors released more 150-250 page standalones before embarking on their EPIC TALE. Unfortunately autists keep guzzling the epic gruel being produced.
Samuel James
You seem to have the makings of a chart there user.
Jose Campbell
>does he have feminist shit? Not really. Shallan is a annoying cunt and remains the lowpoint for the whole book. And the retarded gender roles are questioned (man cant read, female shardbearers cant fight). but if you are triggered by this you could just stay in r9k/pol.
Jason Rogers
well if there isnt "males suckz!!!!" i am okay with it i mean i read wot and the gender shit doesnt make me mad
Jack Butler
*sends you to the dictionary*
FUCK THIS CUNT
Parker Hughes
Webnovels are novels too
Caleb Garcia
oathbringer will be fine for you. >"males suckz!!!!" wot how could you finish wot? I have zero problems with "feminist shit". but the backwards ideology and the tsundere love story with the bodyguard makes me rage 10 years after i finally stopped that series. It is literally "males suck in everything" for thousands of pages.
Alexander Gray
I would have hated wot if it was agenda pushing, but it was lore, not political shit. When the all powerful mages can only possibly be female and the male ones are mad and kill everyone near, its normal that people see males as "inferior". Even the nigg character(tuon) doesnt get the "I AM A STRONK BLACK WOMAN AND I AM THE MOTHERFUCKEN EMPRESS, ALSO EGYPTIONS WERE BLACK DIDNT YOU KNOW??!".
Asher Garcia
Your vocabulary must be miniscule
Adam Morales
I hate nerds and their shitty sci-fi, most nerds are concerned witb broing technobabble and make no effort to express themselves with their limited emotional concepts. They are often physically and socially retarded, having little understanding of the human.
Julian Sanchez
>It is literally "males suck in everything" for thousands of pages.
How the fuck can anyone actually get this from Wheel of Time? You must have dropped it half way through the first book, or else you're actually mentally disabled.
Jonathan Torres
>tfw bought the complete WoT collection from a charity shop At first I thought it was a good idea but now I have 12 books that are between 600-800+ pages each to get through.
Adam Kelly
should have been the third or fourth book and it was +10 years ago. what i remember is the romance between the bodyguard and (for a lack of a better word) the tsundere, and a bit about the world (female magic, man shouldnt be trusted with anything important, great evil, only hope is a boy which will turn mad because magic or something). so yeah i stopped mostly because the cunt/bodyguard romance was the most annoying thing that i have ever read and i cant forget about it.
Gavin Allen
You must have been an extremely retarded kid, because nothing about the relationship between Lan and Moiraine is romantic and your interpretation of most of the series is totally backwards. Hell the Aes Sedai as a whole are presented as a bunch of nattering morons who think they're superior because they live in an ivory tower on an island shaped like a vagina, their being "superior" is entirely pretense.
Josiah Hill
>nothing about the relationship between Lan and Moiraine is romantic mmh this would kinda explains my troubles with it, i like good romantic scenes. >You must have been an extremely retarded kid agree. but i will give wot another try in 2018 and skip the lan/moiraine scenes.
Evan Carter
Lan and Moiraine's scenes are extremely plot integral and they show up in pretty much every chapter of the first 3 books, you can't skip them. A better idea would be to read it and actually pay attention this time.
Alexander Reyes
>Aes Sedai as a whole are presented as a bunch of nattering morons who think they're superior Well they are seen as they can use magic.
>all Aes Sedai are women >the live on an island shaped like a vagina What did Robert Jordan mean by this? It really makes you think.
Liam Walker
>Well they are seen as they can use magic.
And they are woefully inept even compared to the wise ones who barely channel at all, the Green Ajah gets completely blown the fuck out when it actually comes time to engage in battle with the power because, just like the Forsaken keep saying, they're ignorant children playing with powers they barely understand. I could go deeper into it, but the guy I don't want to post spoilers because I was responding to someone who had only read the first 3 books.
Josiah Gray
>this dude What are his best books?
Easton Gomez
>skipping two of the best characters Just don't read the books lmao
Noah Powell
The concept of gender is not flat out ingored, if thats what you mean. It doesnt get in the way of characters or story at all. It wont bother you, trust me.
Brandon Adams
true but nynaeve is best than moiraine
Lucas Reyes
Book of the New Sun >messianic characters Yea >wotlike Not really
Mason Morales
>the live on an island shaped like a vagina Wouldn't erosion naturally change an island trapped in a river into that shape, though?
Gabriel Ross
Erosion doesn't give an island a clitoris though.
Matthew Perry
any fantasy book with an oriental setting? like japan or china
Benjamin Lee
Females are the only reason there needs to be a last battle in the first place in the WoT series and why Saidin is tainted, if they weren't a bunch of bitches and cowards who refused to help Lews Therin the seal on Shaitan's prison wouldn't have been flawed, Saidin wouldn't have been tainted, and the 100 companions wouldn't have all been driven insane.
Brayden Watson
Tales of the Otori triology I suppose
Nicholas Sanchez
The Crimson Queen by Alec Huttson, it's surprisingly good.
Kevin Sanders
i don't get how you autists managed to keep interest through 12 volumes of bad fantasy. i dropped that series at volume 4 or 5 when it really lost the plot.
Luis Cook
fuck meant to reply to
Juan Robinson
>hurr durr implying If they had helped both Saidin and Saidar would be tainted, which is why Rand not only brought Moiraine and Nynaeave but also Mordin so they could use the True Power to protect Saidin and Saidar from the Dark One during the sealing of the bore.
Ian Hall
Journey to the west
Robert Baker
because i knew that it would slow down thus i was prepared but i like the setting, i mean messianic characters are amazing, also good characters that go mad trying are amazing as well.
Charles Williams
>Gubble me more, she said. Gubble gubble me, put your gubbish into me, into my gubbish, you Gubbler. Gubble gubble, I like gubble! Don't stop. Gubble, gubble gubble gubble, gubble! What did he mean by this?
Matthew Morales
Modern fantasy is in a giant feedback loot in which poorly socialized autists eagerly buy volumes of padded-out, overdescribed filler; publishers see this and keep cranking out the sausage. Only autists can/want to read this dreck, so the cycle continues.
Brayden Garcia
there are any good fantasy scifi book? like scifi with sword and magic? like wheel of time in that magic is science?
Isaac Fisher
B-
oh, i see. this is bait
Joseph Cooper
why bait its serious user not everything is bait
Brayden Collins
ESL EVERYONE
Owen Cox
Started reading this following a recommendation from the last thread. I'm at about 25% in and Reynolds just blew it for me.
His dialogue is straight forward at best and feels utterly scripted, which is something I can deal with. Most of the characters are utterly one dimensional. That's annoying but tolerable, at least the captain is interesting enough. But how the fuck do you write so many words and basically ignore the possible aliens in favor of boring ass company politics or chain-of-command drama and a bit of corruption? Who the fuck cares about that? And what's with this weak as fuck setup concerning their fuel reserves? It's like the weakest version of PLOT-DEVICE FOR LATER ON I've read in a long time.
A pity, the beginning was intriguing.
Oliver Smith
>"A deathly trap waits for the colonists on mars" >not deadly d-does it want vcards?
Nathaniel Sullivan
Sounds like trash desu senpaitachi
Oliver Edwards
I thought blurps were the small descriptions of the story on the back?
James Peterson
blurps are what GRRM emits after three bowls of soup
Lucas Fisher
Reynold's isn't a very good writer. Decent ideas and he clearly knows what he's on about with his extended universe, but like you say characters and dialogue are just foreign to him. Don't understand all the hype, unless people like how he emulates classic scifi style which is also pretty cardboard.
Oliver Sanders
there are any books of fantasy with good romance like wheel of time?
Dominic Barnes
Is mistborn good?
Gavin Mitchell
...
Isaac Walker
the first trilogy is a classic though Sanderson's weakness on character building is on full display
the current set has been pretty gud too
Justin Collins
Thanks.
Lucas Reed
dude how i hate the black tower >only exist cause rand >rand cleansed the taint >DREGON ABENDONED UZ, LOGAYN IS UR LEADZ
1st Law is there but not Malazan? Go fuck yourself whoever compiled that.
Levi Wood
So I’m a big fan of Game of Thrones (the show) and wanted to know is reading the books worth the time if I already know the story, even beyond the books??
Eli James
GoT is just not worth the time, other than to have fun ruining /tv/ threads with spoilers.
Owen Jenkins
I tried to get into the books after watching the show but because I already knew the story and characters I just couldn't. The books do differ from the show eventually but that much so in the first few books.
Brayden Bell
Try The Wheel of Time instead. Nothing like GoT but still good.
Owen Hall
malazan? FUCKIGN WHEEL OF TIME ISNT IN IT HOW CAN WHEEL OF TIME NOT BE INSELECTED SFFG IS BRAINLET