Toyota will never remake ae86

>toyota will never remake ae86

feelsu badu manu

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revvolution.com/blog/2014/03/tearing-down-and-assessing-the-fa20-4u-gse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_U_engine#4U
blog.modbargains.com/fix-torque-dip-scion-fr-ssubaru-brz/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Subaru_engines#FA20F
youtube.com/watch?v=Y7WtkdLQ6PM
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Like an exact replica or a "modern version" of the ae86?

modern, with the intent that its going to be a speedy RWD shitbox as opposed to the fucking slow old version

But user, you asked and toyota answered.
Aren't you happy user? It's what you always wanted

>tfw no money for GT86

They completely fucking ruined it by letting Subaru put a boxer engine in it.

looks like sentient semen

So you want a fast, cheap sports car that has no affiliation with the corolla other than its a meme?

too bad toyota can't be bothered with using their own engine or building it in their factory.

The whole point was it had a capable chassis with adequate power to be fun. Contrary to Veeky Forums 's popular belief you don't need to go supersanic and have Saturn V levels of power to have fun and enjoy your car.
Only thing that is a letdown with the toyubaru is lack of engine character. Which is interesting because it puts out 100hp/ liter. It's not a bad motor.
Inb4 hp/l meme

isn't that why we are all here? i mean lol if you expect the average Veeky Forums user to know or care about whats under the hood of an 86

*loads up night of fire*

*sips cider*

BE SILENT SILLY user, TOYOTA KNOWS BEST.
IT IS THE CONSUMERS THAT ARE WRONG, ALL HAIL TOYBARU

I genuinely do not understand why everyone hates the FA20

Because dat torks dip and buzzy nature (I think)
Hopefully they'll address those issues and refine the motor.
I don't think it's bad, just rough around the edges.

>FA20

Found this
revvolution.com/blog/2014/03/tearing-down-and-assessing-the-fa20-4u-gse

>4u
fucking toyota memesters

*sniff*

friendly reminbder its toyota's fault is aenemyc

subaru already has a 305 hp verison of it

>toyotacucks in charge of making engines

first they need the help of yamaha, then subaru and now bmw

toyta can't engineer engines for shit

Didn't even catch that lel.

>subaru already has a 305 hp verison of it

concept and prototypes mean diddly squat

>help of yamaha

Why is Yamaha so based?
They helped develop that gem of a motor in the LFA
and the original SHO was done by then. It could rev to 8k but ferd gimped it because the accessories couldn't handle the revs.
The tuning forks logo is really cool too

Are there any worthwhile engine swaps for the 86?

have you ever looked at a dyno graph of the FA20? it's disgusting. that torque curve is supposed to be flat, not look like someone took a bite out of it

>3200-4700 is just a fucking valley
what was subaru thinking?

>concept and prototypes

yeah, except its been in production for almost 2 years now

try not to out yourself as a clueless pleb next time

I think they'd do that with any motor they put in it. It's electronically there for fuel economy, you can tune it out if you want. You'll be above it when you're going fast though so I don't see the point.

>its subaru's fault, toyota can't do any bad

toyotacuck detected

subaru 305hp version of it doesnt have a shitty torque curve

well its a subaru engine so i guess its toyotas fault lol

Muh $500 ls1 weekend swap

Maybe that 1.8 they had that liked to rev.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was for fuel economy and emissions. Otherwise there is no need for that. Any tuner with a laptop could fix that dip.

Actually, anyone know of good examples of these being just tuned either stock or basic boltons?

pic related is what a torque and power curve is supposed to look like

apparently it's a quirk of naturally aspirated 4 cylinder boxers. toyota should've developed their own 4 cyl similar to the BEAMS 3SGE in there. they were making the same power as the FA20 without direct injection like 10 years earlier.

people say the low hood couldn't be possible without the boxer, but bmw has been slanting their engines for forever and it seems to work great.

another reason I don't like the FA20 is the fact that they had to compromise the front suspension to make it fit. they had to go with macpherson strut instead of double wishbone.

except it isn't subaru's engine

the head, pistons, injection and intake/exhaust is all designed by toyota

it was supposed to be a testing platform for toyota's new direct and port injection

>its toyotas engine because I SAY SO
ok dude

because subaru couldn't get more than 120hp out of it lel

Well, on the plus side, it is low, and as I mentioned earlier, people have eliminated it with a tune, proving it is electronic in nature. Subsequently, their fuel economy went to shit. Thus, it can be concluded that it was put there for fuel economy. But then again, you'll be *above it entirely* when you're runnin' in the 90s, so I don't see the big deal. This board gushes over the S2000 but that didn't make a ton more power and also was kinda meh until high RPM ranges.

you are one dumb fucking summernigger

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_U_engine#4U
>It features Toyota's D4-S direct and port injection systems

which the 300hp subaru version doesn't have, because its a retarded gimmick

keep proving you are clueless

*it has a low center of gravity

Forgib brainfart

it looks like it needs a header and a tune to eliminate the torque dip (mostly)

blog.modbargains.com/fix-torque-dip-scion-fr-ssubaru-brz/

except subaru can make 300hp out of it

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Subaru_engines#FA20F

>subarus own direct fuel injection
>turbo

absolutely disgusting, still want one though eventually

>well its subarus engine but toyota did the fuel injection so its toyotas engine
just throw logic out the window

Of course. Think of the Porsche 911, Mazda RX-7 (pre-'93), BMW M3, and so many other cars. All of these could have been good if only they had double wishbone front suspension. But sadly, they don't, and none of these have ever been successful in racing.

The AE86 itself, of course, is a marvel of advanced suspension design with its front struts and live rear end. It is only fitting that its successor use nothing but the best suspension setup available.

Header is pretty much for sound in the 86 twins.

>no dude its all subaru, depsite the fact that in the toyota 4u only the longblock is made by subaru

it's overwhelmingly summer

>be absolutely wrong
>gee sure is summer in here
lol out loud

>turbo
Of course they can make 300hp

Fuck off faggot

That's literally what the FRS/BRZ/86 is though.

You're aware that the AE86 was actually fucking slow, right? Like, that's the entire point of it being Takumi's car in Initial D. This kid's car fucking sucks but he's a really good driver.

Holy fuck I want weeaboos to leave.

did you even read the article dude, the header reduces the torque dip and adds roughly 20 hp with a tune. the sound isn't the point

they get a piano maker to tune the sound of lfa engine and channel it with a amplified chamber into the cabin.

>waah waah turbo is cheating

>absolutely wrong
toyota still makes and designed the majorityof the parts in the toyota 4u, throwing a tantrum won't change that summerboy

actually subaru made the fa20 so stay wrong

hey man you can't argue with the fact that the camber gain characteristics of double wishbone designs is better than macpherson

>all Toyota had to do was
>develop an improved NA engine based on the 4AGE (no boxer engine bullshit)
>have design cues from the AE86 incorporated into the GT86
>offer a coupe and hatchback version

And they fucked it all up.

I always wondered how they can tune engine sound.

Never said it was cheating. But we're talking about na power here.

>hey guys we're gonna make a spiritual successor to the AE86 but lets but a shit-tier boxer into it instead of a normal inline 4 that we already use and every actually wants.

why did subaru have to ruin everything with their boxer shit?

no no no you have it wrong
you are the weeaboo who actually payed attention to the anime

fear not, you are not alone

this, toyota should've just made a new generation BEAMS with direct injection, slanted it a few degrees, and called it good. could've been God tier

I don't, however it's simply not nearly as important as a properly tuned suspension coupled to a sturdy chassis, which is why cars like the 911, RX-7, M3, and about a dozen others have all been very successful without double wishbone.

Also, if you're trying to make a modern AE86, making the car financially accessible and giving it friendly handling is far more important than making sure it gets the best of everything.

Look at this armchair engineer wet got over here.

If it was that simple they'd have done it.
Cost savings

they didn't do it not because they couldnt, but because modern toyota is out of touch. just look at scion

>the fa20 so stay wrong
nope

the direct fuel injection system, the heads and both the inatke and exhaust were designed by toyota

stay mad though

>all these assmad toyota fangirls who can't deal with the fact toyota can't make engines for shit

loving every laugh

true enough. I don't see why a boxer and macpherson is any cheaper than an I4 and double wishbone though

>out of touch
they seem pretty in touch with a certain market

Why do I feel like I'm talking to myself when I make posts like and

why is this weeb so wrong and mad?

the boxer has nothing to do with macpherson or double wishbones, there are cars with double wishbones and transverse inline 4 and 5 engines

they used macphersons because the 86 is using the front suspension design

kek, he started with the triggering words!

i already posted a citation that shows that the direct injection, heads, intake, exhaust and compression were all designed by toyota

so much denial and butthurt :v)

>still wrong
>still crying

>3SGTE
>BEAMS 3SGE
>4AGZE & 4AGE silvertop and blacktop
>1JZ and 2JZGTE
>1UZ
>1LR-GUE from the LFA
>2ZZ-FE
>22RE

>not God tier

>86 is using the front suspension design from the impreza

hurr durr

>toyota can't make engines for shit
>what is 4AGE
>what is 2JZ

Old Toyota could, current Toyota is held back by design by committee.

>Any tuner with a laptop could fix that dip.
Its the shitty exhaust bud.

So cringey
I think the point of the boxer was cost savings.

Because haters can't into logic.

Don't most you faggots get it? This thing had to be inexpensive to even be made. It's not a big sales segment for starters. This thing would never have been produced if not for all the cost sharing between the companies

>90% of them designed with the help of yamaha

top kek

nice projection kiddo
here, have it another time, dont let your buttrage blind you :v)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Subaru_engines#FA20F
>subarus own direct fuel injection

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_U_engine#4U
>It features Toyota's D4-S direct and port injection systems

try not to get too mad after reading this :v)))))

This seems pretty in touch with the average Scion owner.

i think the better question is why is yamaha so fuckin good at engines considering theyve helped or made engines for pretty much every major manufacturer

pic related its you after being proven wrong by your own post

That and focus groups.

Every time I've been to one there is always "those people"
I don't know how to explain it but they're basically idiots.
I thought it was a fueling issue. Granted tuned exhaust can help greatly with a powerband.

>turbo engine makes more power than NA engine
wow fascinating insight m8

>Yamaha designed the cylinder heads therefore they developed the entire engine

>the toyota 4u uses toyota's own direct injection
>the subaru fa20f uses subarus own injection system

>wrong

top kek

stay in denial my friend

>boxer engine
REEEEEEEEEE

>i don't understan compresion ratio or tuning

thats ok

the subaru EJ made 200 crank HP n/a back in the 90's

the direct injection has everything to do with the fact that it makes no power, because instead of just asking subaru for an engine and dropping the wrx fa or the one found in the legacy, they decided to implement their retarded direct and port injection system

>toyota made injection system
>confirmed by multiple sources
>"nah nah dude ur wrong"
so much analrage

damn

>so raged cant even form a coherent post

>literally this retarded

lets see

when toyota tries to implement a retarded direct injection gimmick, the engine turns out to be shit, and when subaru just turbo it, it somehow ends up making as much power as the engine in the STi

its pretty easy to see toyota fucked up by trying to use the gt86 as a test for their direct and port injection system

200 hp out of a 2.0 isn't even bad. the only problem with the engine is the torque dip, fixable with a header and tune. I don't understand why you think the D4S is the problem when a header and tune fixes it.

>its not subarus fault the engine is shit!!!! omfg stop it stop lying!!1 lalalalala cant hear u subaru king mommy help the mean people online!1!
subaru babies posting ITT

no, but 300 out of the same engine is better

>when a header and tune fixes it.
for the same amount of effort and money you could easily make 350whp out of a turbo engine with a tune and some fuel upgrades

>the toyota version makes shit power
>the subaru version doesn't
>"ur mad dude u raged"
top kek

delicious tears

>mfw toyotacucks can't deal with the fact subaru is making more power out of the same engine

top kek

LITERALLY can't make any power because of toyota's D4S

>keeps posting even though he lost the argument

yes, lets pretend subaru didn't insist on NA it to stop it "killing the wrx", fail to design a engine that made any power, and force toyota to get yamaha to show them how it's done

>subaru gimps engine on purpose to annoy toyota
lol

this tb.h

not even worth replying to anymore