Fuck you i like em

IDGAF what anyone says;

underglow is and always will be aesthetic as fuck.

not really I see significantly more love than hate for the Mk IV

I like all ex cop cars.

Not trying to start anything, but I really don't see that where I go. Any time it's mentioned it gets bombarded with hate whereas any comparable vehicle wouldn't face nearly the same level of cynical scrutiny.

But I do want to believe you.

The front end is the least aesthetic portion, but I wouldn't call it hideous.

all the hate I do see is about the styling of the car (especially the front end and dashboard) which is all subjective anyway.

personally I love the supras interior but thats just because I have a hard-on for any driver focused dashboard.

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A70 is a great chassis for an '80s car.

Its impressively stiff compared to its peers and has suspension geometry designed back when Lotus and Toyota were in love ...who then broke up months before the A70 debut.

Toyota, full of japanese indignation and pride, hurriedly fucked around with the A70 suspension in any way they could to erase Lotus' influence, which is why those early A70s looked/drove like 4x4s.

The suspension geometry is still there, though.

Were they actually set up comparably? A80 had many companies invest serious R&D into suspension tuning, especially damping. The stock tune is great too. So any given set of suspension parts---from stock to megabuck---is at least gonna be "pretty good" on average.

A70 just has a long lineage of companies copying each other and applying basic formulas to suspension part design, so tossing money at popular upgrade packages results in a mess. The stock springs/bushings/dampers/alignment are pure garbage. There's no island of safety.

Now I'm sure the A80 drove much, much better, but unless the A70 had an experienced suspension tuner work it over, you really can't use that to compare the chassis to each other.

Oh hell yes