Dear Vegans

Dear Vegans,

Why are you a vegan?

Sincerely, everyone else

I wouldn't imagine you would feel to great after eating that.

This, way to much cheese.

Because they would rather subject every chicken, cow, pig, fish, and countless other creatures we farm for consumption to complete extinction instead of allowing them to simply exist to be eaten.

Oooh, that's slippery user, your reasoning seems sound

would you still eat that after watching the living cow being slaughtered in front of you?

if so, go ahead and eat it
if not, you're just a faggot who would die in case you had to hunt for a living

It's not that big of a deal, I grew up on a farm.

>he's never gone hunting for his dinner

women should be banned from Veeky Forums

Should be banned from public period. Saudi Arabia knows the score.

1) consuming animal products is UNNECESSARY. Main reason.
2) do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (Hint: sentient beings qualify as others)
3) GHG emissions of animal agriculture, deforestation, water footprint etc
Bonus:
Have you tried any veganized dishes? Like non dairy milk, ice cream or other sweets, replacing whey with pea or rice protein, replacing meat with seitan, tempeh or tofu? Have you ever tried falafel wrap in pita bread with fatoush and babaganoush?

Seriously, don't go vegan. Don't. It's gay. But at least try some veganized versions of dishes you like first. You just might like it. And if you stick with the change, literally everyone wins except the meat Jew.

>cows, chickens, and other animals have all been bred to be as big and juicy as possible
>form over function
>much weaker evolutionary speaking to literally any other animal
>get absolutely slaughtered after releasing them

>simply exist to be eaten
thats where you, and 90% of vegetarians and specially vegans are wrong. we dont simply EAT animals. they are used for ALL sorts of shit.

yes, you and other vegetarians can drop meat, but I bet my motherfucking ass that you CANNOT live without all the other products that come from animals.

>guitar strings
can you live without music?

>makeup and other health/aesthetic products tested on animals
can ladies live without it?

fucking hypocrite

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>Why are you a vegan?
I feel eventually I'll be vegan.
Why? Because I don't want to add to the suffering of the world by hurting living things.

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I've seen animals get slaughtered and even killed some myself, not even a big deal

oh, you can't live with the suffering, but can you live without these?

>unnecessary

False, vegans who don't take supplements have a very high chance of dying before they turn 50.
Repeat after me
OM-NI-VORE

1. I bet you do a lot of unnecessary things in your life you retarded bigot.

2. I would eat a beat because a bear would eat me. Refute wild animals killing me. Try those mental gymnastics.

3. You don't think mass farming also has an impact on the environment? If the entire world switched to a plant based diet how much land do you think is required to feed everyone? Hint: more than a chicken coop

There is no reason to go vegan besides personal preference. That's it. Anything else is the "i'm holier than thou" route and you're a faggot trying to push beliefs on other people.

/thread

I swear to fucking christ, if that giant ass reply with all those retarded blogs gets posted, I'm done.

>Why are you a vegan?

-Health, since going vegan, my health has improved. I've lost fat, got rid of my IBS and vomiting, improved blood markers, and overall feel healthier
-Ethical, I'm not super hardcore about this, but I love animals, and I found it hypocritical of me to say I love animals when I used to eat them, hence I stopped
-The environment, you can reduce your carbon footprint significantly by ceasing animal product consumption. Animal agriculture is causing more climate change than all the cars on Earth

Even if you don't care about any of these things, the real question is why would you want to eat the dead carcass on something that lived in it's own feces for it's short existence of being pumped with hormones and chemicals and antibiotics? (i.e. factory farmed meat)

Nobody has claimed that eating meat is a case of being a man. You finding it unmanly is not an argument either. FUck off

I'm not the person you were talking to but just a couple of things:

The post said "do unto others as you would have done to you" which you are mistaking for "an eye for an eye" which is a bit different because you are applying your irresponsibility, or maybe your lack of awareness of your irresponsibility, to a term that assumes ownership and accountability.

If that doesn't make any sense let me define it for you:

treat others the way you want to be treated, not necessarily expecting that they will; in other words you must lead by example.

Next, mass farming of animals has much more impact on the environment than mass farming of plants and all you have to do is use simple logic: a cow needs water AND plants, a plant needs water; very easy math.

As for anything else I don't really care about your opinions but you should at least be accurate if you want to /thread a post.

I didn't say eating it was unmanly and see
Uh yeah, that's implying you're not a man if you don't eat meat or hunt or it.

Serious question, why are the people who eat meat to make it some sort of an identity so socially stunted? You sound like a teenager going through his edgy phase.

>implying i havent killed and proceed dozens of animals that i later ate

>Have you tried any veganized dishes?

I have. Some substitutes are good. Some are good, like nut milk. I use those. Some are good, but they cost too fucking much, like ice cream and some nut cheeses. I won't buy them until the price comes down. And most are shit. Seitan, as a replacement for meat? Fuck straight the hell off. No vegan wizardry, no matter how arcane, has ever turned wheat gluten into a melt-in-your-mouth pot roast, a rare seared duck liver or a sensuous crab leg.

Throw some more money at the in vitro meat researchers. I have no empathy for cows. I prefer population reduction as a sustainability strategy, over the vegan 'breed too many people, cram them into Soviet brutalist tenements and make them subsist on soy paste' strategy. Convincing substitutes at normal prices are your only chance to convert me.

He is only mentioning hunting. Do you know how to read?

Yeah, and then I said THE VAST MAJORITY OF CONSUMERS DO NOT HUNT FOR THEIR MEAT.

That's when you made the comment about evolution, which no shit, of course over billions of years we killed animals and evolved, but we're talking about the modern day here.

Farming animals requires plant food. If everyone just ate plants, we would need less space for farming. That is a fact, do some research if you want.

Nobody wants to eat bear meat unless they have to, it tastes awful.

And just because vegans aren't 100% perfect,)doing only necessary things) doesn't mean they can't do some things right, it's not black or white.

I think everyone should be vegan, so the environment could benefit, except me because I dont want to.

that looks awful

>why would you want to eat the dead carcass on something that lived in it's own feces for it's short existence of being pumped with hormones and chemicals and antibiotics?

Because it's delicious.

>but it's icky poopy-poo!

You're acting like a toddler.

Because I decided I don't want animals to systemically suffer and/or die for me to eat.

Also there are certain health benefits such as silky smooth shits every day

Dear everyone else,

Because we're desperately seeking a way to feel superior.

Sincerely,

Vegans

>No vegan wizardry, no matter how arcane, has ever turned wheat gluten into a melt-in-your-mouth pot roast, a rare seared duck liver or a sensuous crab leg.

Had some BBQ seitan steak tips that were actually bomb at a vegan restaurant. If you know what you're doing, you can make some great shit out of seitan.

Thats because theyre unable or dumb. Most people dont refuse to hunt because of hypocritical ethical reasons.

I'm not a vegan, I'm a strict vegetarian: no dairy, no meat, no eggs.

The reason I do it is for health and practical reasons because I engage in very strenuous exercise regimes that require nutrition and rest and the best way for me to recover is to adjust my diet according to my needs.

It just so happens that my needs guided my diet to what it is today. I also don't eat processed foods, anything with added sugar, etc.

but again, that's just me and eating is a personal choice that requires mindfulness of your body's reaction to particular foods. If you listen to your body you will change your diet according to what makes you feel good, the only difficulty with this is that you have to explore outside of your conventional eating boundaries. Try being a vegetarian, try fasting, try cutting things out of your diet and adding things to it, just try new shit.

Strawman, yeah, I'm a toddler because I don't want to literally eat shit? Alright, next time you take a shit, go ahead and reach in the toilet and take a bite. It's not gross! Don't be a toddler, it's not "icky"

This is what you sound like

>THE VAST MAJORITY OF CONSUMERS DO NOT HUNT FOR THEIR MEAT

So what? Welcome to the present day. We have this thing called 'specialization of labor'. Stop posting until you've built your own smartphone from minerals you mined yourself. Stop drinking almond milk until you've cultivated your own almond orchard.

>implying most of us do "mental gymnastics" to justify eating meat.
Animals aren't sentient, literally subhuman. They exist for man.

>anything that involved shit in its development is literally shit

Vegetables are cultivated in manure. You're a toddler and a hypocrite.

This. Couldn't have said it better.

I dont really care about the ethics but animal products are pretty bad for your health so I stick with plant based foods. also I feel way less lethargic when on a vegan diet.

>missing the point this hard

My original post
The point I was making is that it's not manly to hunt and kill defenseless animals. And people don't hunt for their food, but idiots still spout this "meat is manly" bullshit, when in reality they buy their food at a grocery. I'm not saying specialization of labor is wrong or bad. The point is that eating meat, whether you hunted for it or not does not make you more manly

berry picker as fuck

>not understanding the difference between fertilizer and an animal's excrement that it lives in it's whole existence

You do know vegetables get washed, right?

Have you ever had a pet before? You ever have a dog and when you come home it gets super excited and wants to be around you and lick you? Animals, although not as intelligent as humans, are sentient. They have capacity for suffering.

If you wanna talk about nutrition you should state your studies and sources, not spout random shit you got from a Daily Mail article.

If you're talking about B12, meat eaters would be deficient in it nowadays as well if it weren't for farm animals being pumped with B12 supplements. The vitamin is usually found in unfiltered water, dirt so no wonder we get it rarely from natural sources at this stage

A dog is a pack animal, the "love" it feels for you is simply part of its pack animal instincts despite your anthropomorphisms.

>You do know vegetables get washed, right?

You know meat gets washed, right?

>yes goyim meat and milk are good for you! lots of vitamin b12 and calcium
>dont worry about cancer and heart disease, when you get to that bridge there is plenty of modern medicine to help with that. Just be sure to save up some extra money

>I bet you do a lot of unnecessary things in your life
Yes, your point?
>you retarded bigot.
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>2. I would eat a beat because a bear would eat me. Refute wild animals killing me. Try those mental gymnastics.
If a toddler breaks your vase because he was left unsupervised, will you break his toy in revenge? This is what you said.
>3. You don't think mass farming also has an impact on the environment? If the entire world switched to a plant based diet how much land do you think is required to feed everyone? Hint: more than a chicken coop
Oh fuck me sideways, it was bait. 9/10, fished a reply out of me
>There is no reason to go vegan besides personal preference.
There is no reason to follow dress code in business or university either
>That's it. Anything else is the "i'm holier than thou" route
But I literally am, I didn't call you names :^)
> push beliefs on other people
He said, in a thread roughly titled "why are vegans, vegans?"

That doesn't justify killing and eating them

Because meat producton is literally causing global warming at a fast rate

>yes goyim meat and milk are bad for you!
>don't worry about the weakness and anemia, just vote for a bigger, stronger government to protect your frail self.

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Why not? Everything exists as a tool for the sustenance and advancement of man. A pig can not create art, it can not write, it can not philosophize, it can not create great works of any kind. It does not matter, because nothing it does has any greater meaning.

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>oh shit I can't refute his point
>post a reddit-tier fedora maymay
>haha gotem

Alright, I'm going to invoke an argument of Peter Singer (moral philosopher). So your claim is that because they're not intelligent to do those things you said then they're not worth moral consideration?

Okay, what about the severely mentally retarded? The severely mentally deranged? Basically, the argument is that these people also have virtually zero intellectual capacity (much like you claim animals to have, right?) . So by following your line of logic, is it okay to exploit and kill those mentally deficient people?

The answer is no, it's not acceptable to do that, nor is it acceptable to kill animals

>Everything exists as a tool for the sustenance and advancement of man.
You exist for the sustenance and advancement of mr. Goldbergstein
>A pig can not create art,
Can you?
>it can not philosophize
Can you?
>it can not create great works of any kind.
Have you?
> It does not matter, because nothing it does has any greater meaning.
You do not matter because nothing you do has any greater meaning. Seriously. Wake up, go to school/work, find a girl, have a kid, eat, shit, lift, shitpost on Veeky Forums, retire, die. A pig does these things too

drinking milk and eating meat causes calcium deficiency

meat eaters get anemia too, dont be silly

Same guy here, also get BTFO, nerd.

Well if you need me to spell it out for you what you wrote was incredibly cringy. Art? Philosophy? why do these things have any inherent value? Im literally a philosophy major too so youre not gonna sell me on it, its all stupid as fuck. Nothing has meaning, that doesnt mean we shouldn't view life as precious

meant for

>Okay, what about the severely mentally retarded? The severely mentally deranged?
I never argued these people shouldn't be culled.
Any randomly selected human has an infinitely greater chance of creating something with greater meaning, purpose, or function than a pig.

>Quads
Carnicucks eternally btfo

Define "meaning" or "purpose"

>abstractions whos value is relative

>shitpost on Veeky Forums
>A pig does these things too

Sounds legit.

Oh fuck, man is above pig because Veeky Forums
Brb buying 10 pounds bacon

Because they fail to realise that up until this point in human history it has been incredibly difficult to get a proper diet consuming only plants, and is only readily available and cheap in our nice comfy western world, ergo being vegan and healthy is a western nation privilege.

However, most of them do it just to get that feeling of satisfaction on their Instagram and Facebook when they berate people and get to feel all high and mighty for not eating meat, even though a hell of a lot of shit they take for granted wouldnt be possible without animals. Heck, without the massive amounts of manure we get from agriculture we wouldnt be able to grow more crops to sell to vegan hipsters in socal sucking down their mocca lattes.

Acts that only a sentience could perpetuate, understand and appreciate; acts that serve a higher purpose instead of a basic survival instinct.

Veganism: The tragedy of intentional moral calculators "for the greater good" who don't understand the disparate power a minority of humans have over the behavioral aspects of a majority of humans.

It'd be far better to create a culture of more intelligent and more empathic calculators than to pretend you are making a dent in the vast system of evil that is the world of entropy.

A mayor, a comptroller, and a few interests can decimate fields of aesthetic beauty (including the fauna and the biota) for money.

You aren't doing a damn dent to anything by refusing meat. You have a far better chance by understanding the nature of moral calculation and building machines that not only exert more power over human behavior but which discover moral principles and understandings which supersede the ones we, mere mortals, can calculate.

> being vegan and healthy is a western nation privilege.
What is your point? You are privileged too,why not go vegan? That's stupid, that's like saying that you won't go to college because your dad couldn't afford it and you are too privileged
>However, most of them do it just to get that feeling of satisfaction
>>>Most
Personal bias doesn't count as a source
> a hell of a lot of shit they take for granted wouldnt be possible without animals
Citation needed
>Heck
Why are you on your dad's laptop?
>without the massive amounts of manure we get from agriculture we wouldnt be able to grow more crops
Lmao TIL only cow shit counts as a fertiliser
>What are synthetic fertilisers
>What is composting

>Acts that only a sentience could perpetuate, understand and appreciate; acts that serve a higher purpose instead of a basic survival instinct.
Who says so?
Also
>A sentience
We should make ribs and tendies out of you

Holy crap you just gave me colon cancer with that pic.

you are describing humanity: the majority of people that are interested in something act like dicks and retards about it.

Think about it: religion, artists, food, exercise programs, clothing, hairstyles, video games, sports, sports teams, etc.

Boston fans are fucking degenerates; hockey fans are violent booze-hounds; sports fans are ineffectual man-boys attempting to relive the perception of former glory by vicariously living through athletes, etc.

the majority of people who exercise are retarded, the majority of people who do martial arts are fucking losers, and so on.

What you are saying is not insightful or even accurate because meat eaters are just as obnoxious as self-rightous vegans. I understand you feel a certain way but have some integrity when you argue, even though it is on the internet.

CONT.

This mere world has been able to draw strength from a dying star in order to produce billions of moral calculators who attach different weights to different stimuli, different weights to moral principles, and different weights to speed and depth of calculation.

Where have you seen the Buddha at peace with all life? Which burning sword have you found that can strike down the phenomenal veil of Maya?

Meaning and purpose are terms that only hold any meaning to man, you're free to challenge my definition.

Because it's better for the environment. Animals have a huge carbon emission, and raising livestock boosts that like crazy.
Meat also just has less energy than plants, its basically just introducing a fatty middleman into your food.
But I really don't give a shit if other people eat meat, it's just my personal diet. Eat meat all you want, it sure does taste good

>believing the climate meme
good goy

Scientific studies?
Like I said, I don't care if you eat meat, do so if that's what makes you happy

(((Science)))

>Scientific studies?

You don't understand the methodologies used, you don't understand the math used, you don't understand the numerous amount of other hypotheses supported by other data sets, etc.

Climate change should be an issue of existential risk (It's far better to get an understanding now than later) but at the same time, the certainty of most people is the certainty of fools and certainty of the doomed.

>Blah blah I opened a dictionary blah blah moral calculators blah blah vegans are the minority
We should all go vegan
>One person can't make a difference
Did I fucking stutter?
>You aren't doing a damn dent to anything by refusing meat.
Lmao yes, yes we absolutely are. Here, see how simple it is
>A city has 101 people
>Carrefour stocks 100 bottles of dairy milk and 1 bottle of oat milk every day
>They are all sold out every day
>One day, they only sell 99 bottles dairy milk and 1 bottle oat milk
>They keep buying 100 and 1 but the trend continues
>Because they want to make more money, they try stocking on 99+2 bottles
>All sold out next day
>After a while the dairy factory decides to breed only 99 cows because the 100th's milk goes to waste
>Less cows are bred and tortured, less bulls anally raped with an electric probe for sperm collection, less calves separated from their mother and killed for veal, less cow farts so less CO2 and CH4 emissions, less grain/soybean fed to cows, less water wasted, less forest area deforestated for soy crops etc
>98+3
>97+4
>....

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CONT.

And that's where you understand most people are utter cowards who can't utter the words

"I don't really understand".

Look at you and you find yourself surrounded by cowards in a society full of them.

When machines start to emulate human cognition and get access to more memory and processing power than we could dream of...

Well how can you be so sure? As I said, what burning sword have you found?

>I think everyone should be vegan, so the environment could benefit, except me because I dont want to.
>except me because I dont want to.

Uhhh

Ooh, we've got a new Aristotle here, watch out everyone

CONT.

>We should all go vegan

Did you not read a fucking word I wrote? This planet is full of moral calculators who put

Different weights
[1, 2, 3, 4, ...]

on different stimuli
[The sight of a rotting corpse, the smell of a flower, ...]

on different moral principles
[The hurt should be healed, the hurt should be left hurt, my word is to be an arrow of truth, my word is to be a cudgel of dominance, etc...]

within different social configurations
[Mother and father live in the same room, mother and father live in separate rooms, mother practices infanticide, mother would never kill her children, etc.]