Will we ever reach a point where the misconceptions and myths about ancient...

SniperGod
SniperGod

Will we ever reach a point where the misconceptions and myths about ancient populations are finally rectified through the use of population genetics? Or will the general populace always stay ignorant of such knowledge?

I've noticed that people seem to reject or ignore information that comes out about ancient European populations, instead choosing to believe in fantasies.

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

The NORDIC Funnelbeaker man:
Nordic skull
Pale, blonde and blue-eyed
Warlike and violent
Patriarchal and advanced culture
Milk drinker

The shitkin PIE mongrel:
Short and broad face
Swarthy, brown-haired and brown-eyed
Warlike and violent but only expands through his pestilence
Generic tyrannical steppenigger culture
Lactose intolerant

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Evilember
Evilember

I don't even visit shitepedia.com anymore, but reading based Tomenable putting Italian whore in her place makes me smile every time.

eupedia.com/forum/threads/32748-The-Incredible-Whiteness-of-Being-Dedicated-to-Tomenable

Why are Meds so fucking obsessed about Middle Easterners? Is that because you look alike?

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TechHater
TechHater

*Blocks your path*

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whereismyname
whereismyname

She's insecure as fuck and spergs out every time someone disagrees with her. Her beta orbiters are annoying as hell.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Memes aside, I can't stand her either. Her arrogance is disgusting.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

k-krete is european

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Why are Polacks so prone to wewuzzing?

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

The leading opinion is a certain complex that may begin with an "I".

Emberfire
Emberfire

I have no idea what any of this means.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Why do the new worlders gang up on him?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

B A S E D

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Is it Litvin from theapricity?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

New worlders lack the various petty grudges and complexes of Europeans so they find his ethnonationalistic wewuzzing irritating.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I think so.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Mental illness.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I wouldn't be shocked if that R1b "polack" on here was actually him too.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Can you stop bringing your forum drama into Veeky Forums? You got blown the fuck out in the other thread already nigger, how about you stop living your life through your ancestors and begin building something for you and your descendants

MPmaster
MPmaster

That Goth poster is U106 though, Litvin is DF27 I think.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I've asked him before and he claims not to be. But he's also a Poolack, also R1b, also a wewuzzer, spams Tomenable's shit everywhere, and constantly defends him. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's lying.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Who is it that supposedly got "btfo" in the previous thread?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Veeky Forums is an anthropology board that happens to dabble in philosophy and WW2 history.

askme
askme

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massdebater
massdebater

This. Anthrocuck posters should be permabanned, literally nobody cares about your shitty autistic incel forums.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Fuck off.

Veeky Forums is an anthroboard :)

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

And your shitty Holocaust/WW2/philosophy/Anne Frank/Civil War threads are bette? lmao stay jealous.

Techpill
Techpill

Tomenable did nothing wrong. Eupedia is a shitshow full of insecure insects anyway. Maciamo is a haploretard, Angela has MENA obsession(she claimed Scandinavians exist because middle eastern men fucked european women), she posts angry shit on her period, LeBrok and that fat bicleur or whatever the fuck are Angela's beta orbiters and leftists.

It's a shithole.

WebTool
WebTool

You subhumans literally have like 5 forums explicitly dedicated to your wewuzing, stop shitting up this place with your autism.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

But this one generates the most butthurt and fun if you haven't noticed...

Also prehistory threads are the most quality in the entire board, prove me wrong.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

The entire "upper echelon" is absolute cancer.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

unironically shillong for namefag forums

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Does everyone on that forum have to start their posts with 'oh please'?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Also prehistory threads are the most quality in the entire board, prove me wrong.

Also there are no nicks on this anthroboard :)

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I think prehistory threads are by far the best since nothing is never really known for sure and we're constantly making new game-changing discoveries. Compare that to the likes of WW2 threads where the same shit is regurgitated over and over again and nothing new is ever brought to the table.

Spamalot
Spamalot

:)
Poland should be rangebanned

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

And what's wrong about that one? Tollense comes to mind. Also Helena was pretty much as Scandinavian/Baltic/Slavic woman from the description, certainly not Med.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

This, but I also like meme and music threads.

WW2 "hitler could win if x/is holocaust real/LOL X ARMY IS BETTER THAN Y ARMY" threads are a cancer though.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Yes Tormenable with his Troy was in the baltic or ochre was invented by EHG posts is so insightful

takes2long
takes2long

getting triggered because of a passive-aggresive smile
:)

w8t4u
w8t4u

Prehistory threads are good but only if people ignore that retarded polack.

askme
askme

t. Angela

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

that retarded polack.
Which one? There are about 3 in this moment.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

not denying being from Poland

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

There's actually tens of millions

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It's always the Silingian.

Skullbone
Skullbone

No they aren't, they turn to shit immediately, when you see a ":)" you know the thread is going into the shitter at the speed of light

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Depends on if you recognize my heimatland as polish or no...

SniperWish
SniperWish

All of you should be fucking gassed

DeathDog
DeathDog

And what's wrong about that one?
Nothing. Except there weren't any cities there until they met Romans, but I guess it's not that relevant. You can have Troyan war without Troy.

TechHater
TechHater

There are three:
silesian polack nordicist
r1b "we wuz goths" polack, probably Tomenable/Litvin
eternally butthurt gemanophobic polack spamming with "anti-kraut" threads

eGremlin
eGremlin

Poles are better than other humans

FastChef
FastChef

Patriarchal and advanced culture
N*rdic
Cuckoldry and weakness is literally in your genetics

JunkTop
JunkTop

Poles
humans

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Troyan

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

r1b "we wuz goths" polack, probably Tomenable/Litvin
Nope. I see the difference in the posts. I also doubt Tomenable would be posting here.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

It's because of that fucking Pole. No matter the topic it always ends with a discussion about Nordics, EHG and Indo-Europeans.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

The third guy is the "chad slavic continuity" guy, right?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

The third one is a Jew.

Lunatick
Lunatick

From what I remember Tomenable was making some ridiculous claims about the goths, and actually posted the reconstruction of a goth that the local r1b polack keeps reposting, so it's possibly him.

But the mutation of R1b isn't right, so we can't be sure.
Possibly.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Yes he tries to shoehorn his MUH STEPPE MUH EHG in every thread

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

It's because retards keep replying to him. The gallo-moroccan used to fuck up various threads too but now the most of people ignore his baits so he isn't that much of a problem.

massdebater
massdebater

Are you saying that using genetics to determine the nature of historical events doesn’t belong on a history board? Thonk

iluvmen
iluvmen

I'm not Tomenable. The reconstruction I post is from a Polish source obviously, since the excavation was conducted in Elblag, Poland.

portel.pl/kultura/jak-wygladali-goci-z-weklic/53277

Also, I don't recall making any ridiculous statements. And my subclade is U106 with mtDNA W, so that's the only thing we have in common. I'm mostly shitposting on /int/ though.

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Methshot
Methshot

The problem is that the Gallo-Moroccan makes those infographics which are easy for people to ignore, while all the Silesian does is spam "HURR EHG WUZ NORDICS" which is too tempting for people not to reply to.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

You forgot the "Odin was an R1a warlord"-polack and tge "Lusatian culture was Proto-Slavic"-polack.

SniperGod
SniperGod

First one is a "Karelian" Finn, not polack.

And the second one is probably the third one.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Pretty sure both of those are the third guy, who also thinks that 90% of the Germanic tribes were Slavic.

StonedTime
StonedTime

I remember the Odin/R1a guy on /int/, he's definitely Polish. The Karelian might have picked it up from him or started it, though.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

NORDIC Funnelbeaker man
Milk drinker

PIE mongrel
Lactose intolerance
Isn't it the opposite?

Lunatick
Lunatick

this thread never agree on anythimg

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Then keep this garbage in one general I can hide and ignore, instead of having literally every thread hijacked with Polack retards arguing about who was Nordic and who has steppe ancestry.

girlDog
girlDog

He is just trolling.

Inmate
Inmate

There was a meme that Yamnayans were milk-drinkers who brought lactase persistence to Europe, but it turns out that they were mostly lactose intolerant, while Funnelbeakers did drink milk :)

SniperGod
SniperGod

CHG in Indo Europeans comes from EHG men fucking Georgian women.

RavySnake
RavySnake

To be fair, a single skull isn't that much of a proof. He likely lived a harsh life, which would probably give him a more rugged appearance.

As for the often posted Rex Gothorum et Vandalorum-argument, it just shows that while many of the Goths and Vandals migrated south, many also remained in their north european homelands. These were later conquered by the slavs in the 6th century and became assimilated.

WebTool
WebTool

This. And the EHG were Nordics :)

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

mfw all my hard work has gone to waste :(
Thanks for the tip, from now on i will spam "ENF were E1b1b" "IEs were matriarchal :(".

DeathDog
DeathDog

it's the same cycle every time
white people do wonders
the mix with brown peoples
now these places are shit
Greece, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Rome etc
the white identity is withdrawing north

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Half of this sentence is true though.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Poles are just a mix of native Lusatians, East Germanics, and some Celts that got Slavicised :)

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

If it makes you feel any better, I do read all your infographics and appreciate how much time and research you put into making them.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

The part about IEs being matriarchal? True, and this is why we should glorify patriarchal farmers (primarily Funnelbeakers) rather than Indo-Gyppoids.

whereismyname
whereismyname

I'm drunk enough to let this one go. My fellow Polish brother :)
Goths became a confederation since they expanded Westwards. So it's obvious that they had all kinds of people.

Since someone mentioned "Lusatians were Proto-Slavic polack" I might be the one he's speaking about, because I said that Lusatians might've been ancestors of Balts and Slavs, since Trzciniec pretty much spawned Lusatians. But it was more like Trzciniec + Central Euro Bell Beakers = Lusatians scenario, but still. CWC derived Trzciniec people didn't disappear to pave way for Lusatians. It was more like a fusion.

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

On the off chance your not trolling, I'll give you a serious response.
According to all the books I've read on the subject, the Yamnayas were nomads. They travelled across their steppes with their huge goat herds and horses. This made their diet consist mostly of milk and meat.
Meanwhile, the neolithic farmers mostly ate bread, vegetables and fish, and the hunter-gatherers ate meat, fruit and berries.

Them, and slavs. I'm not completely familiar with their genetic makeup but generally, when one tribe defeated another tribe, they killed their men and took their women. Racial purity wasn't something they cared about, so there are likely no 100% purebred slavs, celts or germanics.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I might be the one he's speaking about
I doubt it, since the guy who spams it is very distinctive. He usually posts the Tomenable map of the "Slavic ethnogenesis" followed by a fuckload of photos of the reconstructed Biskupin settlement.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Nope, the other part.
I am a German of Vandalic heritage :)

Soft_member
Soft_member

Funnelbeakers were distinct from other farmers, though. Their culture was dominated by animal husbandry (including cattle), and they did drink milk.

takes2long
takes2long

I don't know all of it, but the balto-slavic culture being a newer form of the lusatian culture seems reasonable to me. During the late bronze age the proto-germanic peoples invaded and drove them further east probably intermixing with the ones taken prisoner, and then in the early middle ages, the slavs (re?)conquered those lands.

likme
likme

Slavs had different way of expansion though, They simply assimilated people their conquered.
You're a Pole of Vandalic heritage :) Vandals in terms of their paternal lines were pretty much like West Slavs.
Ah. Maybe, I still don't like the 6th century AD Slavic expansion narrative though. It almost makes it as Slavs didn't exist prior to that.
If that scenario was true then they probably had some kind of ancestral memory of those lands.

Look how quickly Slavs took over Bohemia, Poland and Eastern Germany. It's almost as they were familiar with those lands.
inb4 it was empty
We all know it was not.

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Playboyize
Playboyize

Poles are mostly Jews.

Emberburn
Emberburn

That's wrong actually. Jews more likely mixed in the West than in Poland. In fact, Jews in Poland spoke German and kept to themselves in their small ghettos. That's why so many of them died during WWII. They didn't assimilate.

Emberfire
Emberfire

ancestral memory
Been hitting the ThuleanPerspective recently?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Okay, i said it wrong. I meant some type of story telling? It's not impossible.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Fair enough, I suppose it's possible (although personally I disagree with the theory that Lusatian culture was Proto-Slavic)

TechHater
TechHater

For Lusatians to be Germanic or Celtic, they would have to kill all Trziniec Balto-Slavs. And there was no population replacement as in Britain.

eGremlin
eGremlin

So what's the point of this post? Can I be proud of my scottish/french/english/prussian ancestry? Or am I just another human piece of shit like those in literally every other group?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I will tell you something that will blow your mind. All animals except horses were first domesticated by farmers. And they all had their own animals.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

They simply assimilated people their conquered.
Most tribal societies did that as far as I know, but yeah.
Vandals in terms of their paternal lines were pretty much like West Slavs
What? Most people today are descended from conquering peoples on the paternal side, and conquered peoples on their maternal. The vandals, while probably a bit balto-slavic maternally, were definitely descended from germanic invaders paternally.
It almost makes it as Slavs didn't exist prior to that.
Not really, they existed in modern russia, but there are next to no sources about them from this time.
We all know it was not.
Most of the ruling structure and warrior elite had migrated south, whether you look at goths, burgundians, vandals, rugians or any of the other germanic tribes there. Combine that with the hunnic rampage through the area, these lands were probably severely depopulated.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Never said they were Germanic or Celtic, and I don't believe they were either.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Like I said. Balto-Slavic Trziniec got most likely influenced by Bell Beakers, in worst case scenario conquered.
What? Most people today are descended from conquering peoples on the paternal side, and conquered peoples on their maternal. The vandals, while probably a bit balto-slavic maternally, were definitely descended from germanic invaders paternally.
That's wrong actually, they carried Slavic and Baltic R1a along with "Dinaric" l2a. Meaning their had paternal ancestors of Balts and Slavs in their ranks.
Most of the ruling structure and warrior elite had migrated south, whether you look at goths, burgundians, vandals, rugians or any of the other germanic tribes there. Combine that with the hunnic rampage through the area, these lands were probably severely depopulated.
eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/03/exotic-female-migrants-in-early.html

Up for debate. Depopulation seems like a meme for now.

King_Martha
King_Martha

They*

:))))

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Spamalot
Spamalot

That's wrong actually, they carried Slavic and Baltic R1a along with "Dinaric" l2a.
What are you referring to?

farquit
farquit

You said Vandals had Germanic paternal lines and "Slavic" maternal ones. That's actually far from the truth. I'm not saying they were Slavs or Balts, but "cuckolding" didn't take place here.

Based on the detailed Y-chromosomal study of 1,200 Sardinians by Francalacci et al. (2013), the Vandals appear to have carried:

35% of R1a, North Slavic
34% of I2a2a, Sclavinian (South Slavic)
24% of R1b, Celto-Germanic
6% of I1 Teutonic, Viking

According to these results, the Vandals appear to be mostly a mix of Slavs (69%) and Vikings (30%).
The subclades identified were I1a3a2 (L1237+), I2a2a (L699+ and CTS616+), I2a1b (M423+), R1ayy-Z282 (incl. some Z280+), R1a-M458 (L1029+) – all very common for Slavic people; and R1b-U106 (Z381+), R1b-L21 (DF13>L513+), R1b-DF27 (Z196>Z209+) – common for Germanic people, including Vikings.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Like I said. Balto-Slavic Trziniec got most likely influenced by Bell Beakers, in worst case scenario conquered.
Perhaps, but either way they probably spoke a langauge that is no longer spoken today. Wouldn't really be out of the ordinary since entire language groups were still disappearing in the Iron Age. Lusatian culture was eaten up by other cultures and the last remaining settlements were in the south-west, not the east. There's no evidence of an eastward migration.

w8t4u
w8t4u

What Vandals? Those are all modern samples. It's not a proof of anything, just guess work. From what I know we don't have any samples from Vandal graves.

askme
askme

, but either way they probably spoke a langauge that is no longer spoken today.
It had to be Satem and with close relation to Slavic and Baltic. There is just no other way in this region, since like I said, Trzciniec is a direct descendant of Corded Ware and Lusatian seems like a fusion between CWC and Bell Beakers.
Lusatian culture was eaten up by other cultures and the last remaining settlements were in the south-west, not the east. There's no evidence of an eastward migration.
Maybe, they said they will realse more and more papers in the following years, so we'll see.

Bidwell
Bidwell

I2a2a isn't "Sclavinian", and in the context of the Vandals it would be considered more of a Germanic thing. so you can make that 35% "Slavic" and 65% "Germanic".

likme
likme

It had to be Satem and with close relation to Slavic and Baltic
True, but it's unlikely to have actually been Slavic.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I2a2a isn't "Sclavinian",
It isn't Germanic either, it was found at high frequencies in pre-Germanic British Isles.
and in the context of the Vandals it would be considered more of a Germanic thing. so you can make that 35% "Slavic" and 65% "Germanic".
It still makes pan-germanistic cuckolding fantasy obsolete. They carried paternal Eastern European lines. If someone wants to play cuckold game, then Slavs pretty much fucked Germanic women when they expanded in early medieval.

Flameblow
Flameblow

It isn't Germanic either, it was found at high frequencies in pre-Germanic British Isles.
It's also quite common in other Germanic countries and is virtually absent in the Slavic urheimat. Either way it's more likely to be associated with Germanics than Slavs.

It still makes pan-germanistic cuckolding fantasy obsolete.
Don't really care because I'm not an (interracial) cuckold fetishist like the majority of haplotists.

RavySnake
RavySnake

I2a2a is old European. We don't know if it wasn't more common in the past, especially in South Europe. Calling it Sclavinian is utterly wrong.

Modern samples are pretty much worthless. We know now that entire populations have been replaced in the past.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Natives assimilated by expanding Germanics. Successful ones it seems.

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Nice T*menashit image

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

R1a isn't only slavic, it's an indo-european gene, and people carrying it came to scandinavia in the early bronze age.
Scandinavia didn't become 20% R1a because of a slavic invasion, but because of the indo-europeans coming there around 2000 B.C. The descendants of these people, many of which still carrying R1a then migrated south into modern poland around 1000 B.C.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Those R1a Indo-Europeans were more akin to Baltic and Slavic people anyway. I hardly care about Scandinavian Germanic fantasies. Origin of Indo Europeans is in Eastern Europe.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

What is the first map suppose to show?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Not Poland though, so you can quit larping as Russians.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Genetically R1b Beakers and R1a Cordeds are very similar. Those Scandinavians didn't speak a Slavic language.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

modern Sardinians
Vandals

Polish delusion knows no bounds.

farquit
farquit

pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full
Hm? I hardly care about it. It's Scandinavians that are sensitive about everything.

Like I said previously. I'm U106 with mtDNA W, my father married a Belarusian woman, I cluster with Eastern Europe and Finland. I don't need any dickwaving contests to feel better about myself.
They share their origins with people from Eastern Europe.

Eastern Europe -> Poland and Baltics -> Scandinavia. Not the other way around.

massdebater
massdebater

Sardinia got heavily colonised by Romans and Vandals though.

Inmate
Inmate

Hm? I hardly care about it. It's Scandinavians that are sensitive about everything.
Fair enough, I thought you were trying the old "use vaguely defined broad geographic terms like East Europe to wewuz as ancient ethnicities" technique.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Nope. I still think that first wave of Corded Ware(Battle Axe) settlers in Scandinavia sounded more like Eastern Europeans rather than Germans.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

If anything those were Slaves.

When the sale of Christians to Muslims was banned (pactum Lotharii[13]), the Venetians began to sell Slavs and other Eastern European non-Christian slaves in greater numbers. Caravans of slaves traveled from Eastern Europe, through Alpine passes in Austria, to reach Venice. A record of tolls paid in Raffelstetten (903–906), near St. Florian on the Danube, describes such merchants. Some are Slavic themselves, from Bohemia and the Kievan Rus'. They had come from Kiev through Przemyśl, Kraków, Prague, and Bohemia. The same record values female slaves at a tremissa (about 1.5 grams of gold or roughly 13 of a dinar) and male slaves, who were more numerous, at a saiga (which is much less).[9][20] Eunuchs were especially valuable, and "castration houses" arose in Venice, as well as other prominent slave markets, to meet this demand.

Jews were one of the few groups who could move and trade between the Christian and Islamic worlds.[30] Ibn Khordadbeh observed and recorded routes of Jewish merchants in his Book of Roads and Kingdoms from the South of France to Spain, carrying (amongst other things) female slaves, eunuch slaves, and young slave boys. He also notes Jews purchasing Slavic slaves in Prague.[9][27][31] Letters of Agobard, archbishop of Lyons (816–840),[32][33][34][35] acts of the emperor Louis the Pious,[36][37] and the seventy-fifth canon of the Council of Meaux of 845 confirms the existence of a route used by Jewish traders with Slavic slaves through the Alps to Lyon, to Southern France, to Spain.[9] Toll records from Walenstadt in 842–843 indicate another trade route, through Switzerland, the Septimer and Splügen passes, to Venice, and from there to North Africa.[9]

TreeEater
TreeEater

Probably, but you could also argue that they sounded more like Indo-Iranians so it doesn't really benefit the Balto-Slavic agenda.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Russians
You mean Ruthenians, right ?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Why would they sound like Indo-Iranians? Earliest R1a-Z284 which is common among Scandinavians was found in modern day Latvia.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Nah, I said Russia because the Indo-European urheimat is in Russia. I don't like people trying to use terms like "East Europe" to weasel their way into claiming the IE urheimat as their own.

Emberfire
Emberfire

They were ancestors to both Balto-Slavs and Indo-Iranians. But you have to keep in mind that ancestors of Indo-Iranians were a blowback migration from European Corded Ware, they mixed with various people on their way to India and Iran.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Given that Corded Ware was ancestral to Indo-Iranians, it makes sense that they would sound more like Indo-Iranians than Germanics who were heavily influenced by Bell Beaker.

RavySnake
RavySnake

pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full
I still don't get it. Rathlin 1 was R1b and he is related to populations that replaced Neolithic Britons. Other two maps show modern day populations. Is this a proof of what?

StonedTime
StonedTime

heavily colonized
they still have very little steppe ancestry and cluster with neolithic farmer populations

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Why are you moving goalposts? I addressed the point that that more like these populations were closer to Balto-Slavic populations rather than Indo-Iranians who were more to the east and carried R1a-Z93 which is virtually non existent in there.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

That's what happens when you fuck Med women.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

My point is that their language was probably similar to a shitload of languages other than Germanic languages, so it doesn't really suggest that dey wuz Slavs, just that they weren't Germanics.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Sardinians have mostly I2a1a1

happy_sad
happy_sad

And they descended mostly from Neolithic farmers, yeah we know. That's why Eastern European yDNA is so unusual there, get it?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I didn't say that they're Slavs either, earliest R1a-Z284 is from 800BC and in Latvia, plotted among modern day Eastern Baltic population. He sure as fuck wasn't Indo-Iranian speaker as their language was never attested there.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Never said they spoke Indo-Iranian.

Inmate
Inmate

But you said you can make a claim they're closer to Indo-Iranian speakers than to Balto-Slavic speakers which is absolute nonsense.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

No I didn't, I said they're closer to Indo-Iranian speakers than to Germanic speakers, my point being that if you're using their language to wewuz as Scandinavians then Indo-Iranians could do the same and that's obviously fucking retarded.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Probably, but you could also argue that they sounded more like Indo-Iranians so it doesn't really benefit the Balto-Slavic agenda.

No I didn't

Yeah whatever floats your boat man.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Probably, but you could also argue that they sounded more like Indo-Iranians
- than to Germanics.

So no, I didn't.

SniperGod
SniperGod

That doesn't mean it came from Vandals or that most Vandals had this haplogroup.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

It's weird how farmer male DNA (I'm guessing mostly G2a) slowly disappears pretty much everywhere before the arrival of Indo-Europeans. I hate this dumb cuck meme, but their wives clearly preferred WHGs.
And it was probably consensual considering those haplogroups come from farming communities.

Lunatick
Lunatick

In Sardinia G2A is still around 10-15%

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

They don't have Eastern European Y DNA in any significant percentage

Soft_member
Soft_member

Would it not be fair to say that they got BLACKED by the BHD?

girlDog
girlDog

Exactly. "Heavily" was a bad word there. They still have some pretty unusual yDNA, so it must've been from migration period, and we know Vandals settled there.

askme
askme

And in Britain out of all Neolithic farmers there was not a single G guy. All were I2. Same with many other places - Globular Amphora? All I2.

Inmate
Inmate

In what percentage? 0.1%? Also there were Sarmatian troops stationed in Sardinia during Roman times, there's a Sarmatian cemetery near Cagliari

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Attached: polacks-are-jewish.jpg (1.86 MB, 3284x2368)

Spamalot
Spamalot

Explains why they whinge so much about their historical misfortunes.

girlDog
girlDog

Jesus fucking Christ, the autism.

idontknow
idontknow

I won't even argue against it. Be it as it may. That image was probably made by a Shitlesian, but you achieve quite the opposite of what you wanted.

You just proved Poles are superior with that one lol.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

being a mongrel is superiority

massdebater
massdebater

Everyone in the world is a mongrel, wake the fuck up you retarded autist. Majority of German inventions were done by German jews.

idontknow
idontknow

the Jew shows his true colors

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Poles are subhumans.

Thoughts?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Fact.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Indeed. Just keep in mind that Yddish is a Germanic language and you can't really tell the difference between a Jew and a German, even
their idelogies are similiar.

Attached: 1469189596640.png (93 KB, 1652x249)

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

mfw Poles and Germans arguing who's a bigger subhuman when they're both subhumans

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Silesians
Germans
Heh.

JunkTop
JunkTop

I unironically can't name a single Jewish inventor from Germany. Diesel, Benz, Röntgen, Koch, Daimler, Bosch, Siemens, von Braun, Geiger, none of them was Jewish.

Germans don't have Jew admixture, Poles do
B-BUT MUH YIDDISH IS A GERMAN DIALECT!
Nobody cares about language, faggot. Speaking a language doesn't determine your race.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Germans don't have Jew admixture
That's the thing, Germans have all kinds of admixture, they're mongrel of Europe. Even more so than Poles.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Thoughts?

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Soft_member
Soft_member

Germans mixed with Celtic people at most, who are European. Poles mixed with Jews, Armenians and Turks. They would probably mix with niggers too if they had any.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Is that the building of the Polish parliament?

w8t4u
w8t4u

God, you obnoxious idiot. Do you really think I'm gonna waste my acohol high on a retarded faggot like you? Germans are primitive subhumans and they proved that over and over again in a period of 100 years.

I see that the anti-Polish butthurt brigade has arrived, I'm out of this fuckhole. Keep jerking off to your skulls autist, maybe some day you'll realise how outdated your thinking was.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Nah that's the royal palace of their king.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

God
Don't you mean G-d, Schlomo?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

It's not an obsession, what is an obsession is thinking that Scandinavia was some kind of womb of greatness that every meaningful people of Europe if not the whole of Western Eurasia and Egypt came from. Case in point, we-wuzzing about Homer's tales originating in the Baltic among Scandies.

Plenty of alarm bells should go off if someone's theory conveniently elevates their nation to a fantastical utopian level of importance. It suggests putting the cart ahead of the horse.

FastChef
FastChef

Modern wewuzzing among Poles, especially on forums is understandable. Germans tried to erase in their butthurt any trace of Polish existence from history, often claiming Polish history as their own. If you read XIX century German wewuzzing though, anything Polacks say on the internet becomes completely minuscule.

Besides, it was Poles that started to LARP as Aryans waaaaayy before Germans. Sarmatism was basically Aryanism.

Attached: germans.png (435 KB, 1419x1214)

Emberfire
Emberfire

It's Scandinavians that are sensitive about everything.

And yet it is Poles who sperg out the most in these kinds of threads.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Daily reminder that a thread had to die for this. Again.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Do we? It's mostly Finns and Swedes.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Yes, there is a reason to why people are talking about Polish shitposters here and not Swedish ones.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Poles are more relevant than Finns trying to prove they're not asiatic and Swedes getting butthurt about anything really?

Whoa, colour me fucking suprised. Don't count Shitlesian as a Pole though. He's an autist with schizophrenia.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Poles are more relevant than Finns trying to prove they're not asiatic and Swedes getting butthurt about anything really?

You are just the most obnoxious and numerous

Don't count Shitlesian as a Pole though.

Any nordicist larper is probably a turk trolling so fair enough.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

You are just the most obnoxious and numerous
We have a lot bigger population so it's natural that we have more posters.
Any nordicist larper is probably a turk trolling so fair enough.
Except Shitlesian speaks perfect Polish.

Flameblow
Flameblow

We have a lot bigger population so it's natural that we have more posters.

I barely see any Swedes wewuzzing and aggresively shitpost the way Poles do. (I am Swedish myself so I might be biased though)

You are rigth about us being thin skinned though

Except Shitlesian speaks perfect Polish.

well, just another example of a Polish shitposter then

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

This made their diet consist mostly of milk and meat.
You know that many nomads aren't lactose-tolerant right? They rarely drink fresh dairy. Ancient eurasian nomads never drank horse milk fresh, it was always processed into a slightly sweeter, fermented beverage something like koumis. And yogurt/cheese is just fine for those who are lactose-intolerant.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

This. And the EHG were Nordics :)
Thry weren't. Nordic is a made up term with no genetic meaning. Pigmentation alleles are both from Siberians and Middle Easterners.

EHG were mongrels genetically intermediate Afontova Gora and Iron Gates HGs who were already ANE admixed.

6.0809"

Saami

Iron_Gates_HG,27.7
AfontovaGora3,23.2
Nganassan,22.6
Barcin_N,19.3
CHG,7.2

3.1088"

Ashkenazi_Jew

Barcin_N,48.3
Natufian,14.7
CHG,13.1
Iran_N,10.5
AfontovaGora3,7.7
Iron_Gates_HG,5.7

4.453"

Beaker_Iberia

Barcin_N,60.8
Iron_Gates_HG,27.2
AfontovaGora3,9.7
CHG,2.3

7.3422"

Yamnaya_Samara

CHG,37.2
AfontovaGora3,36.9
Iron_Gates_HG,19.8
Barcin_N,6.1

Iron Gates (normal)
Villabruna 83%
Afantova 11.5%
Boncuklu 5.5%
(f 0.047%)

I_G outlier
VB 39%
Boncuklu 56%
Natufian 4%
Afantova 1%
(f 0.03%)

Spamalot
Spamalot

Nordic is a made up term with no genetic meaning
It has a big meaning refering to an entire race.

hairygrape
hairygrape

It has a big meaning refering to an entire race.

Only in autists mind. Old nineteen century racial classifications have no genetic basis(epeciallly in case of west eurasians who are very mixed).

Evilember
Evilember

It's because of that fucking Pole.

Davidski?

Firespawn
Firespawn

They do. Insulting me doesn't gives you a point.

If someone looks like an Indo-Germanic, then he has probably predominantly Indo-Germanic genes too, and should be very proud of his Nordic race.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

ENF were E1b1b

Only until Iranians raped them and they got E1 from east africans.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Greece, Egypt, Mesopotamia

All genetically MENAS since the beginning.
Romand probably also.
Modern are less near eastern due to slavic admixture

Illusionz
Illusionz

Romans probably also.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

greece
mena
WE

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Indo-Germanic genes

No such thing exists. These are linguistic terms.

MPmaster
MPmaster

greece>menaWE

There is a genetic study about Minoans and they were pretty 100% west asians before indo-european mogration/invasion.

farquit
farquit

MENA
No such thing as MENA, stop this fucking meme. Middle East and North Africa have nothing in common other than religion.

w8t4u
w8t4u

That language was created by a certain and spread by a certain racial group...

iluvmen
iluvmen

Greece
slavic admixture
Slav here, what the fuck are you talking about retard?

Methnerd
Methnerd

MENANo such thing as MENA, stop this fucking meme. Middle East and North Africa have nothing in common other than religion.

Yes they do. North Africans just mostly lack Iranian admixture and have much higher west african admixture. Prehistoric southwest asians were pretty much north africans until Iranians conquered them.

Attached: 1514936149642-Fregel-2017-PCA-Natufians-Morocco-IAM-important.png (190 KB, 1412x1192)

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

certain racial group...

Mosty siberian in orgin and non-European.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Slav here, what the fuck are you talking about retard?

Learn some history moron.

RavySnake
RavySnake

No nigger, seriously tell me. Modern Greeks are swarthy, brown-eyed, curly-haired. They look nothing like us, where the fuck did you pull Slavic admixture from?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

From genetic studies and basic knowledge about Greek history.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

From genetic studies
Yeah, about that. MODERN Greeks cluster near Semites and nowhere near Slavs.

Attached: 335gmd4.jpg (118 KB, 1225x923)

happy_sad
happy_sad

Would you look at that you stupid nigger.
Greek cluster literally IN THE MIDDLE of Ashkenazi cluster
Poles, Russians, Belarusians nowhere close

Attached: genetic-map-of-europe.png (159 KB, 1024x819)

RumChicken
RumChicken

The same record values female slaves at a tremissa (about 1.5 grams of gold or roughly 13 of a dinar)
modern spot price of gold per gram is $43.26

Good Christ you couldn't even buy a blowjob for that today. Collapse of the pussy bubble when?

Attached: 36acvwgce6wz.gif (240 KB, 320x320)

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Would you look at that you stupid nigger.>Greek cluster literally IN THE MIDDLE of Ashkenazi cluster>Poles, Russians, Belarusians nowhere close

And neither slavs nor jews are actual races. All are mixed, Greeks and Jews cluster the way they do because they are basically intermediate between levantines or minoans for Greeks and east/north europeans. Whereas east/north europeans are intermediate between south euroepans and prehistoric siberians.

Mycenaean
Minoan_Lasithi 0.780±0.044
Srubnaya 0.220±0.044
P-value 0.909333794
chisq 7.595
Full output

vs

Greek
Iran_ChL 0.090±0.071
Mycenaean 0.478±0.103
Slav_Bohemia 0.432±0.077
P-value 0.461783732
chisq 12.820
Full output

Italian_Bergamo
Anatolia_BA 0.239±0.057
Iceman_MN 0.332±0.054
Unetice 0.429±0.030
P-value 0.764439946
chisq 9.112
Full output

Italian_Tuscan
England_Roman_outlier 0.118±0.115
Mycenaean 0.521±0.147
Unetice 0.361±0.059
P-value 0.741956816
chisq 9.402
Full output

Sicilian_East
Bell_Beaker_Germany 0.222±0.077
England_Roman_outlier 0.210±0.134
Mycenaean 0.567±0.163
P-value 0.504442682
chisq 12.285
Full output

Sicilian_West
England_Roman_outlier 0.216±0.121
Mycenaean 0.503±0.135
Unetice 0.281±0.056
P-value 0.808464904
chisq 8.516
Full output

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Modern Greeks have some Slav mixture from medieval times. It's not a huge amount but noticeable. They're still primarily of Ancient Greek stock

JunkTop
JunkTop

Greeks and Ashkenazi Jews cluster because they're both a mixture of South Europeans with Levantine Semites. Not with any Slavs, end of.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

and prehistoric siberians.

Or rather between prehistoric east europeans who were intermediate between prehisotric west europeans and siberians but more siberian.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

If you looked into Jewish genetics you'd find that they only cluster due to South Euro admixture in their mtDNA, user. Jewish men married local Greek and Italian converts.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Literally what I said here

King_Martha
King_Martha

sorry I wrote and posted it before updating the thread and seeing yours

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

All Askhenazi Jews have significant recent east european Slav admixture.

Attached: Ashkenazi-Jewish-admixture.png (55 KB, 406x388)

takes2long
takes2long

proposed model
So an asspull. Sorry Schlomo, you aren't Slavic.

askme
askme

Thanks for the insight. I'm probably behind on current studies then. Which Ashkenazi populations did they test, though?

Bidwell
Bidwell

They may have been conquered by WHGs at some point but they didn't that much of a genetic impact.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

raped them
YHWH warned us against J Hamitic rapists. A good thing that based Hebrews slaughtered their kind.

THE SONS OF HAM WERE CUSH and Mizraim and Put and Canaan. The sons of Cush were Seba and Havilah and Sabtah and Raamah and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan.

Now CUSH BECAME THE FATHER OF NIMROD; he became a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, “He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, "Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the LORD." THJE BEGINNING OF HIS KINGDOM WAS BABEL and URUK and AKKAD and CALNEH, in the land of SHINAR(Mesopotamia).

Snarelure
Snarelure

So an asspull. Sorry Schlomo, you aren't Slavic.

And you are moron. They have east european admixture and because its recent they have higher IBD with East Europeans than modern middle easterners.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

No you don't. You're a combination of Mediterraneans and Semites.

happy_sad
happy_sad

No you don't. You're a combination of Mediterraneans and Semites.

unz.com/gnxp/the-origins-of-ashkenazi-jews-near-resolution/

Not jewish myself but according to science they are mix of ancien hebrews, south and east europeans,

Will we ever reach a point where the misconceptions and myths about ancient populations are finally rectified through the use of population genetics? Or will the general populace always stay ignorant of such knowledge?

I've noticed that people seem to reject or ignore information that comes out about ancient European populations, instead choosing to believe in fantasies.

With imbeciles like this oneit will always be a problem.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I try one last time with you.

Ashkenazi
Anatolia_ChL 7.9
Arab_Israel_1 15.65
Avar 0.6
Bashkir 0.05
Cossack 0
Italian_Tuscan 30.45
Polish 11.75
Samaritan 33.6
Uygur 0

distance%=0.2874 / distance=0.002874

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Were they original BBCs?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Polish 11.75

iluvmen
iluvmen

I'm only slightly amazed that fortune users can't stand arrogance

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Davidski and her are both shitheads.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

EHG are majority ANE (at least 75% if not more so)

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Lactase persistence in Europe peaks in South Scandinavia and the British isles, whereas Slavs and Balts are somewhat more lactose intolerant in spite of more Yamnaya ancestry. So yes, it's plausible that Funnelbeakers were more lactase persistent than PIE, though I wouldn't say that the latter were lactose intolerant.

Attached: lactose-tolerance.jpg (150 KB, 1200x602)

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Davidski doesn't care about Nordicism. He's fairly anti-germanic/anti-west actually.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Mongols
Not lactose tolerant
LMAO

Nomadic food is primarily comprised of goat milk/mare milk and other dairy products.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Your map has no basis in reality. There's no way up to 40% of people are lactose intolerant among Baltic States and have same frequency as Spain, when they're one of the highest milk consumers per capita and Baltic_BA samples are the most ancient lactose tolerant population. Today all modern Europeans are in range of 80-100% of lactose tolerance, no where near 60% or whatever your shit map is trying to imply.

farquit
farquit

What does that mean? .5 = half of people ale lactose intolerant?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Your map has no basis in reality.

Check map
Western Poland (aka Poles from Kresy) orange
Eastern Poland already green
Color me surprised

Emberburn
Emberburn

It should be the opposite then. Modern "Western" Poles are Poles from Easternmost territories of Poland pre-WWII.

Attached: 1473958440225.jpg (67 KB, 620x520)

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

That was my point.
Can be discarded.

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