Ancient Depictions of White People

massdebater
massdebater

Post how Westerners were depicted in different parts of the world

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ōta_Nanpo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon_(emblem)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art
veekyforums.com/thread/4377768/history

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

not so ancient but posting anyways

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TreeEater
TreeEater

This is quite funny.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Yo what the fuck bro

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WebTool
WebTool

Also not ancient, but they did a good job of capturing Matthew Perry's likeness imo

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RumChicken
RumChicken

that's some fearsome BWC

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Japanese cuck porn?

Supergrass
Supergrass

A Song period illustration of a Tang Period Enyclopedia of a Roman person.

They apparently liked Bonsai (or Penzai, as it is called in Chinkdom).

Looks far off to be a classical Period Roman, but if you take into account Byzantines, its pretty spot on with their goofy hats and robes n shit.

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takes2long
takes2long

18th century Nigerian statue of a Portugese man. (Edo culture)

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askme
askme

Huuuuuuge cock

Inmate
Inmate

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Methnerd
Methnerd

18th-century Chinese drawing of a Swiss mercenary and his wife. The accompanying description goes:

Barbarian man of the province of Helvetia [Heleiweijiya sheng], of the Great Western Ocean [Europe], and his barbarian wife

This country is a vassal of the Kingdom of Germany [Reermaniya guo]. The people are loyal and righteous; they always pay their debts. Their schools are built by their government, or by their public institutions. Their land, which is frigid due to the mountainous climate, produces gold and jewels. Their people are said to be masters of constructing buildings. Their women are chaste, simple, and honest; being very dexterous, they weave with their bare hands, scorning to use a loom. They make very fine cloths. The earth there produces gold, if you dig a well, you’ll find small pieces of gold. There are gold pieces the size of beans under the river. The mountains produce musk deer, deer and mountain lions. People raise cows for food.

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Emberfire
Emberfire

GAIJIN'D

Evilember
Evilember

Damn intresting that is.

Got a source mate?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

DUTCHED.com

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Tang Dynasty

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DeathDog
DeathDog

Unfortunately not; I found it on t*mblr.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Theyre very decisive on the looks

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Welll, cheers anyways. Gonna look it up. If I find something I'll post it here.

Nojokur
Nojokur

It's an erotic album by Ota Nampo in 1820.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ōta_Nanpo

Illusionz
Illusionz

Sogdians aren't really "white people" by conventional modern standards. Tocharians might have been closer with their light hair and eyes though.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Thank you, made my evening a whole lot easier.

Booteefool
Booteefool

this thread has potential for interesting posts

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

That detail level on cock is hilarious

girlDog
girlDog

I've never noticed the mountain pattern armor shoulder boards. why?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Ahmad ibn Fadlan was an Arab dispatched by the Abbasid caliphate in 921 to the people of Rus on the Volga river. You can find a lot more of his writing online, but Wikipedia quotes this passage:
I have seen the Rus as they came on their merchant journeys and encamped by the Itil. I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blond and ruddy; they wear neither tunics nor kaftans, but the men wear a garment which covers one side of the body and leaves a hand free. Each man has an axe, a sword, and a knife, and keeps each by him at all times. Each woman wears on either breast a box of iron, silver, copper, or gold; the value of the box indicates the wealth of the husband. Each box has a ring from which depends a knife. The women wear neck-rings of gold and silver. Their most prized ornaments are green glass beads. They string them as necklaces for their women.

WebTool
WebTool

depicted as a manlet

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

1854

DeathDog
DeathDog

some of the images that get reposted as Tocharians on these kinds of shitholes are argued to in fact be Sogdians. ancient DNA reveals that the Tarim basin “Europoids” already had substantial East Eurasian mixture in the bronze age, whereas some east Iranian people in the Pamirs even today have very little. the Chinese described red-haired people eveywhere, even on the Yenisei, and there is no textual accompaniment of those murals to prove tocharian identity

Illusionz
Illusionz

Siamese temple guard (dvarapala) in the form of a European. 1869

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Bidwell
Bidwell

Of course, there's no way to cleanly separate language and genetics. Many Sogdians were fair-featured. But the Sogdian language originates with the Indo-Iranians, who were generally not. They had migrated through BMAC and mixed with neolithic Iranians, before coming back into the steppe as Scythians, etc. Just like later Scytho-Sarmatian tribes had tons of blonde and red hair, languages spread faster than genetics or lifestyles.

Also the Chinese really didn't distinguish between any of these groups particularly well.

massdebater
massdebater

An account by the 12th century chronicler Usama ibn Munqidh;

"I heard a similar case from a bath attendant called Salim from Ma'arra, who worked in one of my fathers bathhouses. This is his tale:

I earned my living in Ma'arra by opening a bathhouse. One day a Frankish knight came in. They do not follow our custom of wearing a cloth around their waist while they are at the baths, and this fellow put his hand, snatched off my loin-cloth and threw it away. He saw at once that I had just recently shaved my pubic hair.

'Salim!' he exclaimed! I came toward him and he pointed to that part of me.

'Salim! You shall certainly do the same for me!' and he lay down flat on his back. His "hair" was as long as his beard. I shaved him, and when he had felt the place with his hand and found it agreeably smooth, he said: 'Salim, you must certainly do the same for my Dama'. In their language Dama means lady, or wife. He sent his valet to fetch his wife, and when they arrived and the valet brought her in, she lay down on her back and he said to me:

'Do to her what you did to me.' So I shaved her pubic hair, while her husband stood. Then he thanked me and paid me for my services.

likme
likme

The first cuck film.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

how?

Skullbone
Skullbone

that camel

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Cigars and body hair

Skullbone
Skullbone

Absolutely mental

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I just noticed the monkey is jerking off wtf Japan

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

am dutch, can confirm

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JunkTop
JunkTop

I am 61.3% sure that's coral not a bonzai tree

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

China had da massive thing for coral and jade even though they're not even that shiny. Giant slabs of bronze as well.

Spamalot
Spamalot

japanese art at the time was full of nature imagery and geometric repeating patterns

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon_(emblem)

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Soft_member
Soft_member

I notice they tend to give Europeans massive pointy noses and drooping eyelids.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

fair enough

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Bronze gets real shiny.

Techpill
Techpill

This tips it over the fucking edge holy shit

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

African art

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

They saw us as Jews then ?

Inmate
Inmate

Nice.

Emberburn
Emberburn

The Niō 仁王 is basically an ancient Asian depiction of Heracles

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

It's from the Huang Qing Gongtu (Qing Imperial Tributary Atlas).

It's an 18th Century atlas with maps and descriptions of "Tributary Peoples" (just foreigners really) commissioned by the Qing government.

Pic related, Ongeria People (Hungarians.

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

the virgin Japanese monkey
the CHAD sharp-nosed Dutchman

w8t4u
w8t4u

thumbnail looks like a penis

Techpill
Techpill

Funny Frenchmen.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Master Huang, how do we depict Russians?
Put a bear in it and make everyone wear fur.

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

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RavySnake
RavySnake

I have a massive pointy nose and droopy eyelids. They aren't wrong.
Just the nose. Beside, Jews are usually stereotyped to have bulbous noses, while other whites just have long, sharp noses.

Lunatick
Lunatick

in awe at the size of this lad. absolute unit

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Luzon People Noble Couple.
Philippines confirmed for white.

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Spamalot
Spamalot

Maybe this is a metaphor? White sexual monkey = European

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

His "hair" was as long as his beard.

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Playboyize
Playboyize

It's literally nip cuck porn. Monkeys were associated with nips (and chinks) a lot in the past, just think of Son Goku or what have you.
The small, inferior nip is fucking while the chad dutch fucks his qt waifu

Methnerd
Methnerd

The small, inferior nip is fucking
*fapping

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

It probably means only subhuman monkeys fap to cuck porn

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

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Snarelure
Snarelure

Were there any fujoshi at this time at Japan?

Skullbone
Skullbone

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Emberburn
Emberburn

even the Japs knew back then the difference between Huezil and Portugal

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Master Huang, how do we depict English people?
Ever visited Canton? They're always fucking drunk. Draw a European man and put a bottle in his hand. Done.

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Evilember
Evilember

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Firespawn
Firespawn

fujos are older than history itself desu

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

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WebTool
WebTool

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Or it could just be a monkey jacking off, with no other meaning.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

a monkey jacking off will always have meaning

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

the moment japan wins something, they draw porn of it.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Like, the actual adoption of the deity Heracles? Or a local equivalent of Heracles?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Alberto Barbosa

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

This one is interesting: Mexicans.

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Illusionz
Illusionz

Both. Macedonians brought Heracles all the way to India. There, Buddhism absorbed his legend into something called "Vajrapani". From there, it spread through Buddhism into East Asia. A martial society like Japan ate that shit up like hotcakes.

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Black Slaves.

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Supergrass
Supergrass

Probably Spaniard elites.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Not really sure how they would have faired in 1820 tho...

girlDog
girlDog

The elite of Mexico is still quite Spanish rather than Mestizo.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Idk how to draw blacks so I will make them asian but black.

5mileys
5mileys

Imagine being an Asian and seeing these images of far off exotic and strange peoples of Europe.

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Skullbone
Skullbone

neat. did the labors get absorbed as well?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Fujos have always existed, in every society, since forever.

Illusionz
Illusionz

That pretty fucking cool. What else do you know? got any good sources?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I find this of enormous interest!
I've looked and only see a wiki
is there anywhere I could read this book?

Methshot
Methshot

fascinating, I wonder what legends came the other way, dragons maybe

Spamalot
Spamalot

Its all in chink unfortunately

takes2long
takes2long

yellow bois btfo

hairygrape
hairygrape

Look at the other images, they made white people Asian-looking as well.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Vajrapāni
Nah this existed before. Rather it is the iconography and image of Heracles which came to represent it. Same with the Greek depiction of the Buddha.

Dragons might have come from China, but not via the Greeks. They were adopted by steppe nomads like the Sarmatians and ended up in Europe through these (at the time of the Avars, we first see the real idea of the European Dragon emerge). Now there's dragon-like things otherwise, the whole IE serpent-slaying myth is an example of this. But the dragon-banners of the Parthians and the European Dragon of the Middle Ages probably comes from China in this way.

In regards to your other question, yes other myths and ideas came from the East to Greece. Philosophy is a big one, at least from India, as is Chess and the Panchatantra, though these came later. Indian and Chinese influence in Persian art and literature is definitely there as well but I don't know of any clear contributions to Greece off the top of my head.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

tfw the turkish man crossdresses as an Italian woman.

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

How do you guys image what the guy who drew this is like?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Sweden is also a vassal of Holland [???]. They show respect by doffing their hats. They carry around a whip to protect themselves. Their women do not respect chastity; they reveal their breasts and lewdly tie their skirts over their clothing.

Classic Sweden

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Emberburn
Emberburn

Not him, but basically when Buddhism fir originated they did not depict Buddha, and usually just used a symbol of a lotus.
When Buddhism entered the Greco-Bactrian kingdom the people there depicted Buddha in a pretty Greek fashion. The robes Buddha is usually seen wearing in India and Asia is not Indian dress but actually Greek. And the tight curls on Buddha's head originally were typical Greek curly locks. Shame some of the earliest Buddhist art was destroyed by the Taliban.

Another Greek influence on Buddhism is Fujin, the Wind God in Mahayana Buddhism. He is of Greek origin.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art

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5mileys
5mileys

lol and now your country is getting cucked

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Fucking kek

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hairygrape
hairygrape

The eternal Portuguese

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

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SniperWish
SniperWish

Now

They are also blessed with a large Male member, which they esteem highly, considering it a great privilege to be allowed to work with a great tool. Generally they are well endowed below the belt, surpassing our Dutch Nation in this respect; and being fully conscious of this, they do not spare it, but make it work, as we shall later describe at length. (1602)
Pieter de Marees

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RavySnake
RavySnake

The name Vajrapani in Sanskrit means "thunderbolt in hand" which I suppose could be a reference to Zeus, father of Herakles

2nd century AD depiction of Vajrapani "
(right) guarding the buddha

Looks pretty greek if you ask me

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RavySnake
RavySnake

The Dutch got their last laugh with their raping and pillaging during the Boxer Rebellion. Along with the Americans, Germans, English, French, Russians, Italians and Austrian-Hungarians. China was literally a playgroud for them.

TechHater
TechHater

The early Brazilians had such a good thing going on, but they got too greedy, annihilated too many tribes, imported too many slaves., cut down too many trees.

Now look at Brazil, you guys fucking ruined it.

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Sogdians are pictured as light too from time to time. Gingers especially.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Uncircumscribed

Was the artist just going off what he assumed it looked like, or was he actually there and whitey actually had a cut dick?

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

What are you talking about? Thats not a cut dick.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Actually Japanese did in ww2. They took Chinese and Dutch comfort women.

5mileys
5mileys

That's hot.

cum2soon
cum2soon

T H I C C
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C
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Bidwell
Bidwell

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massdebater
massdebater

BEADY

Methnerd
Methnerd

Circumcision wasn't prevalent in europe tho

Its just since the late 19th century that americans have been mutilating their dicks

Emberfire
Emberfire

Thai artwork from the Ayutthaya period

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SniperWish
SniperWish

Statue of Westerner as a dvarapala in Thailand temple Wat Pho (rattanakosin period)

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StonedTime
StonedTime

Gaijin btfo

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Damm thick

King_Martha
King_Martha

Honestly pretty modest compared to other Shunga depicting Japanese men

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

tocharian 9 ad

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Nojokur
Nojokur

Not ancient but automaton of a british soldier being eaten by a tiger.

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

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girlDog
girlDog

Here's a Benin depiction of Portuguese traders

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massdebater
massdebater

Here's some depictions of the Portuguese

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Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I remember reading an ancient Chinese chronicler, who was so digusted by the light skin and the beards of Indo-European nomads he compared them to monkies.

WebTool
WebTool

Nigerians invented chibi how will Nippon ever recover?

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BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Racism brings us closer

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

He was just jealous of the superior Nordic warriors :)

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

thats actually qt as fuck

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whereismyname
whereismyname

They didn’t give the cottagey cheese texture of the white face

Lunatick
Lunatick

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Uncanny

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Lmao we were wearing gauges back them

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

having to resort to rape because no women would otherwise fuck you
c-cuck

StonedTime
StonedTime

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

.

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TechHater
TechHater

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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

That's adorable

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

That is nice craftsmanship

girlDog
girlDog

E HONDA

askme
askme

M A H A R L I K A confirmed strongest race

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

any more of this guy's work erotic?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

b-but pol told me africans were living in caves until whites came and uplifted them?

DeathDog
DeathDog

even in Veeky Forums you can't escape the spics begging for porn

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idontknow
idontknow

She takes /pol/ seriously

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Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Benin was a bit different than the rest of West Sub-Saharan Africa. It's wrong lump in the entirety of Africa into one single entity, there are massive differences in culture between the regions.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

That image shows barbarians from Poland.
This is how a russian official was depicted in the atlas.

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RavySnake
RavySnake

Benin even had street lighting through the use of Palm oil

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TechHater
TechHater

If get your history from /pol/ your already a faggot

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

That's pretty cool.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

veekyforums.com/thread/4377768/history
If you want to learn more

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Holy shit. Based Nips.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Wait… the Turks are even whiter than the Hues? Yare yare daze…

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

My respect for niggers increased a bit.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Not caves. Mud huts.

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Supergrass
Supergrass

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Was about to say this

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Nope, Those aren't Poles. I am Polish, and you are full of shit.

farquit
farquit

.

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viagrandad
viagrandad

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happy_sad
happy_sad

...

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

......

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5mileys
5mileys

..........

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Bidwell
Bidwell

Oh wow

Evilember
Evilember

That's a Tintin character.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Anyone have that weird picture when a bunch of american sailors or something are all over a sumo-wrestler?

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