/hairloss/ general

>ru58841
is that gonna kill my dick or is it safe?

it hasn't gone systemic with me so no. zero side effects so far after two months. stays in your scalp, unlike fin. really the only negative to RU is the price but it's basically like $60 every couple months which isn't crazy, and even cheaper if you mix it yourself

thanks for the info bro, gonna ask my doctor about it as well
i want out of this hairless hell

>hair loss
>master race

Choose one

I'm now on:

Fina
Nizoral
Rogaine
Pumpkin seed oil
biotin
saw palmetto

Hair Loss has come to a halt (1month into it)
Shed lasted about 2weeks (better fucking be it)

My hairline has always been solid, can see my scalp under downward lighting is why i'm doing this shit

You're one of the lucky fellows that thinned before recession started. Mine shot back to a NW 2.5 right under my nose with no visible thinning

>no balding
>still a fivehead
an abstract kind of feel

iktf m8. Having thick as fuck hair with a mickey mouse hairline was pure hell.

bingo.
i have noticed people from rural areas which drunk well/stream water have a better head of hair than us city folk

>was
did you get a transplant?

No, my hair thinned kek

Can anyone here comment on some of the cheaper turkish transplant clinics? Their Instagram shows many pretty decent results.

>tfw 26 and slight thinning

probability of keeping my hair is what?

Oh shit dude my bad, what NW you at now?

Completely random. You might ride what you have now all the way until 80, or it can all fall out in about 6 months... again totally random

I'm trying a cheap supplement with biotin, zinc and selenium. Reviews were amazing on amazon, will report in the future
has anyone used this before?

I have mature-ish hairline but it's not bad at all. It was getting thin and shedding a lot. Did the no-poo thing for too long. My family doesn't have baldies so I'm good on that front I think.

Now I use a sulfate-free shampoo and conditioner once a week. 3-4 days after that I put in another conditioner after I get out of the shower. Hair looks more full and feels better to the touch. It's shedding less as well.

I've been doing derma rolling and minoxidil since October of last year, and started finasteride about a month ago. I think at my worst I was 3 to 3.5, but now it's crawled back pretty close to a 2.5.

Heard biotin is great, zinc and selenium are good for you as a male in general but never heard about their relation to hair. Keep in mind none of these directly treat the root cause of thinning which is DHT

Congrats on hair gains bro, finasteride will peak out for you in about a year from what I've researched. I know it's a dumb question, but can nizoral and derma rolling alone do anything? I just wanna exhaust all my options before I begin medications

I don't know about nizoral but dermarolling absolutely can.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746236/

my brother started balding in his late teens and has been on fin since
his hairline is now better than mine (he's 10 years older) and overall thin but with clean hair he looks pretty good
he stopped for a bit while trying to have a daughter and told me how his libido skyrocketed. I'm afraid that fin would affect my dick and gains
I couldn't really wait for my hair to get to a critic point so that I could just shave it but the receding/thinning slowed down

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746236/
it's dermarolling PLUS minoxidil

Also even if you're understandably worried about the risks of fin, you should at least start Minoxidil. A 6 month supply off amazon is like $25, or roughly $4 a month.

smile.amazon.com/Kirkland-Minoxidil-Strength-Regrowth-Supply/dp/B002VLZHLI/ref=sr_1_5_s_it?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1519435015&sr=1-5&keywords=minoxidil

how did I manage to get doubles twice

Minoxidil is not the mechanism behind Derma Rolling regrowth. Besides, that study compared minoxidil with derma rolling alongside minoxidil.

does that shit work where the hair is gone at the temples or just for thinning

Yes, it works on temples.

That study was with minoxidil, is there one with just dermarolling? I tried searching but couldn't find anything

hmm, what are the side effects

might just have headaches

other than minoxidil and fin - what else is proven to work? PRP injections?

Thanks bros, there's some really decent info in this thread. Gonna schedule an appointment with the derm and request starting fin. Looks like the sides are only about a 2% chance of getting them

Reminder: if (and only if) you have a good head shape - just shave it off and you'll be better off.

If you have a Mr. Potato Head shaped head don't fucking try it.

doesn't it raise blood pressure

Yes, it must be the water

It couldn't possibly be genetics and DHT, that thing that has been proved to be the cause of hair loss.

Thats why women who drink the same water also lose all their hair.

This.
I have a good head and get told that I pull off shaved head well. So fucking glad.

water has something to do with it. but if you live in a western country this shouldn't be a thing unless the filtration system isn't good or something. All my gulf arab friends tell me everyone goes bald early even the girls there cause the water there is rough

There's another study with only four men, already under going treatment who then started Derma Rolling:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26120151

It's widely accepted that the mechanism for regrowth is beyond just increasing the absorption rate of things like minoxidil. Derma Rolling also works for other types of hair loss. In this study, there was no topical treatment applied.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3996798/

There's also:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29194786

Oh, the second study did have topical applied after all.

"These microinjuries lead to minimal superficial bleeding and set up a wound healing cascade with release of various growth factors such as platelet derived growth factor (PGF), transforming growth factor alpha and beta (TGF-α and TGF-β), connective tissue activating protein, connective tissue growth factor, and fibroblast growth factor (FGF). The needles also breakdown the old hardened scar strands and allow it to revascularize. Neovascularization and neocollagenesis is initiated by migration and proliferation of fibroblasts and laying down of intercellular matrix. A fibronectin matrix forms after 5 days of injury that determines the deposition of collagen resulting in skin tightening persisting for 5–7 years in the form of collagen III. The depth of neocollagenesis has been found to be 5–600 µm with a 1.5 mm length needle. Histological examination of the skin treated with 4 microneedling sessions 1 month apart shows upto 400% increase in collagen and elastin deposition at 6 months postoperatively, with a thickened stratum spinosum and normal rete ridges at 1 year postoperatively.[10] Collagen fibre bundles appear to have a normal lattice pattern rather than parallel bundles as in scar tissue."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4976400/

What's the long term effect of dermarolling? Fin and min apparently only give you results for 2-5 years, but at least if you do go bald in the end they don't fuck your skin up. Does dermarolling make your scalp look scarred up?

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3996798/

That's alopecia areata though.

I'm 24 years old and this is my hair

Why were there so many storied about a cure in the works last year? The Japanese and Koreans are working in injections, lotions, HairCell is making some kind of electrical stimulus therapy, and apparently the Brotzu lotion still isn't dead.

Why must they drag this out. This shit has ailed mankind since the beginning of time, just cure it already.

Convert to judaism

Can you dermaroll through existing hair or do you have to cut it down real short for the needles to get purchase?

Don't give into despair, the times are looking actually really good for balding bros. Hairloss research was effectively nonexistent until 2016 where several multi billion dollar industries joined in the race. Tsuji isn't so much a curse as hair cloning, but replicel very may well be the cure. Basically a permanent alternative to finasteride with zero side effects and 100% efficiency.

Also, does dermarolling work on facial hair?

Cure**

Julius Caesar was notoriously insecure about balding early. He would often wear battle helmets when in non combat situations and loved games where he could wear the crown of laurels to cover it up.

What the fuck is the purpose of evolving sensitivity to DHG in the scalp?!

That's unknown, although I haven't read anything on it not being effective over time.

I mentioned that it was another type of hair loss. There's no money in selling derma rollers so I imagine it's part of the reason why no one is jumping at the chance to study this more.

You can roll through existing hair. Larger sizes, such as a 1.5mm will help penetrate more than smaller sizes. My hair is about three inches long on top. 1.0mm worked but I'm moving up to 1.5mm. It should have a similar effect on hair follicles in facial hair but I wouldn't expect miracles. You would want a 0.5 or 1.0mm for the face.

Balding went from a condition few men suffer to ((((balding)))) from the ((((food/water/lack of sleep/stress)))) we have now

I forgot to add that it has the opposite effect of scaring skin. It breaks scars down and helps you produce more collagen and other growth factors. If you want to see some shit, google some of the Derma Rolling scar studies that they did and see how it changed them for the better.

minox ages the face i look 30 at 21

...

I bet their website doesn't show the infected botch-jobs

You would be amazed how many people believe that is a myth. It's part of the reason I don't use it. The other reason being it is by far the most time consuming treatment.

"While minoxidil may not be main contributor to wrinkles, it does affect collagen. In the article, “Minoxidil: mechanisms of action on hair growth,” published in the British Journal of Dermatology 2004, it reveals minoxidil decreases the expression of lysine hydroxylase in collagen production. Additionally, it also suppresses collagen synthesis by rat vibrissae dermal papilla cells, both in monolayer cultures and in cells grown in collagen gels. Essentially, minoxidil can cause a degradation of skin’s collagen, which is what would probably cause the accelerated aging. However, skin problems are not listed as any of the side effects on the packaging of Rogaine or Spectral DNC."
-Sanusi Umar, MD
Redondo Beach Dermatologic Surgeon

Can a NW 2 hair transplant even get botched? I literally just need corners filled in, not a reconstructed set of hair

That's why you just use finasteride and hold the line until you can afford grafts. At least the hair on fin is yours... Minoxidil is just sustained necromancy of dead hair, they're not actually yours/alive

So what, apply retin-a at the same time to increase collagen production and increase minoxidil absorption.

Checkmate baldlets

use a natural shampoo that doesn't contain sodium lauryl sulfate or other sulfurs, something based with coconut oil for example

Or apply something similar, without minoxidil, at actually look better than you would normally. Minoxidil is completely overrated. It doesn't affect DHT and you have to use it for life, assuming it doesn't stop working like it does in some people.

That's such a bullshit naturalism argument. People have been balding for forever, they'd just die by 40 so if you were bald you were basically revered as an elder.

Also, you act like anyone uses anti-aging treatments with Minoxidil. That isn't the advice people give you, instead they tell you to take Minoxidil, despite being on Fin, and there's no mention of anything else to the thousands of men who may have worse skin because of it.

How is that a naturalist argument? I'm highlighting the fact that most people nowadays don't sleep enough, are dehydrated, and eat like shit.

ALRIGHT LISTEN UP YOU SLUTS!

Now I started losing my hair about 4 years ago. It started off not very noticeable, but continued on till it was undeniable.
I was an advocate of not using shampoo, as I hard sworn it mostly off in my teen years and my hair began coming in thicker. I would only wash it once a month, the rest of the time I would mostly rinse thoroughly. This worked for a time, then when I began working out all the time it began to thin rapidly.
>I was at my usual barber shop (the kind with the hot bitches that give you a cut)
>knew my usual routine of what I would get done
>After it was almost over the girl asks if I like it and she can start getting it cleaned up
>Something seemed a little off, but this happened sometimes and I had learned from the other barbers what would normally work
>Told her to "thin in out" little more at the top.
>She looked at me a puzzled and asked "You want it thinner?"
>My heart immediately began sinking
>It had begun

I don't know how it happened but when I left the city and began living on a farm it began to come back in thicker. Maybe it was the water, maybe it was the fact that I stopped working out since I didn't have any protein powder to fuel my gains.
Either way it began again even faster when we got back to the city.
I wished desperately to make it stop but to no avail. I began working out again as I noticed when I lifted weights instead of just running it seemed to cause new hair growth all over my body.
I began studying the hair loss and trying to figure out how I could fight back. Upon examination of my scalp there appeared to be a bunch of fine granules of an almost sand like substance coating my scalp. Clearly it was time to act. I began shampooing with everything recommended online. I tried anti-dandruff shampoos but found it mostly ineffective at clearing this shit.
So I switched to some natural products for conditioning that seemed to help a bit
cont'd

Veeky Forums here, are any of these companies publicly traded? There has to be good money in a universal cure to the biggest cause of male insecurity.

Also I'm balding, but I'd rather be rich with hair than just have hair. Y'understand.

Some of them are, Replicel for example, but I haven't seen any results that seemed to be amazing.

"The seven top-tier responders in the trial saw >10% increase in hair density at six months post-injection (see May 17, 2012 announcement). At 24 months, the average hair density increase for these same seven participants was 8.3% over baseline, and three of these seven trial participants maintained a >10% increase in density over baseline. The largest increase in hair density over baseline observed in this group was a 21% increase at 24 months.

The top 10 participants reported at least a 5% or greater increase in hair density at six months post-injection with an average increase of 11.8% (as reported in the May 17, 2012 announcement). This group demonstrated a sustained response at 24 months which averaged a 4.2% increase over baseline hair density. While there was a high degree of variability in hair density between individual participants at 24 months post-injection compared to baseline, an overall stabilization of hair loss was observed among all the patients treated per protocol."

Follica's phase two had similar results as well.

You're treating this like miracle procedures that will make Norwood 7 hairs start sprouting up that have been dead for years. The main takeaway of these solutions would be that hair could theoretically be perfectly and permanently maintained without the need for powerful drugs like finasteride. The has and probably always will maintain that "hair is easier to keep than recover"

The rule *

cont'd
Seeing a glimmer of hope I began researching everything about natural solutions that might hold the answer.
Turns out that "sand like" build-up was sebum crystallizing at the base of the hair shaft.
>Gradually transitioned to more natural shampoos avoiding anything that left my hair feeling dried out
My hair began to thin and thicken in waves but still appeared to be a losing battle
>Began rinsing with Apple Cider Vinegar and Essential oils (Peppermint, Tea Tree, Sweet Orange, Eucalyptus, and sometimes Cedarwood) once a week
At this point my wife was really noticing that my hair was coming in slightly thicker again.
>Ordered some shit from Brickell* after trying a sample and finding my hair feeling great afterwards
>Brickell was working and the ingredients were solid
Wife began noticing my hair was growing faster and looked better
>Conditioner was leaving my hair a little dried out after a while
Began to notice some excessive shed and minor thinning
>Tried out some shit from Portland General Store* and that worked too
>Found the shampoo was the weak link in that chain
>Started using Brickell shampoo and PGS conditioner
>Then some Seaweed conditioner that I got for my wife
Wife and my whole family have noticed that my hair is growing thick again like it used to. My brother and dad were constantly ripping on me over going bald, now they keep talking about how pissed they are that it has grown back.
So a few tips I have learned so far
>Brush hair daily with bristle brush (boar hair is supposed to be the best)
>Use peppermint essential oil in your shampoo (It's scientifically proven to be better than minoxidil; google that shit)
>Rinse with ACV and EO a couple times a month
>Go natural/organic and avoid alcohols in your hair products
>Keep working out as lactate has been proven to stimulate hair growth, and helps to use DHT in your body so it doesn't end up bonding to your scalp
>Scalp massage regularly
*Not a plug, just a fan

OH one more thing, also make sure you're getting lots of vitamins since your body will redirect vitamins for hair growth to more essential functions when it's deficient. Vitamin E and B vitamins are great for your hair.

I've been reading about dermarolling for about a week now, and honestly the main appeal to me is just helping my scalp skin. I'm only starting to thin but my scalp has always been dry and flaky, and apparently dermarolling helps calm that down.

There are a dozen or so on amazon, is the Tristar one good? The reviews are worthless.

>You're treating this like miracle procedures that will make Norwood 7 hairs...
Yes, that's the point of the word 'cure'. Something that regenerates dead hair follicles in sufficient amounts. A drug that works as good as Finasteride is meaningless as the vast majority of people will not experience side effects from it to begin with and it's dirt cheap. Not to mention, we already have topical Finasteride drugs like RU and they barely get any attention because Finasteride is good enough for nearly everyone.

Hell, we already have a bunch of non-drugs or weak drugs that can halt hair lose in cases where it isn't that aggressive. They can have regrowth similar to Replicel and Follica at a fraction of the cost. All the 'NEW CURE 2018' bullshit will just let down the vast majority of people who think it will regrow the high Norwood hairlines.

Same. I always wear my hair long too so I never noticed until these threads started popping up. Life is suffering.

It seems like most rollers come out of the same factory in China. The stock version of this is the black handle with purple head, but it you'll see the same design with different colors and branding sell for more money. I personally, just use the stock one. I haven't heard talk of any more expensive brands being that much better, so I guess most of us here use the same shit. You can also try Ebay and get if shipped directly from China, if you wanted to pay less but wait longer for shipping.

I got one of them that's getting harder and harder to cover up with existing hair.

Yeah, that's what I figured. There can't be that much variability in a stick with a bunch of needles on the end.

The things we do for beauty.

Just two other things while I'm at it. There's talk of some types of needles being better than others. The mass produced ones are basically a circle with triangle points for needles stamped out of sheet metal but you can also find others that are a true needle shaped although they are hard to find. I don't think there's much of a difference but some people do, enough to warrant paying more.

If you do order the generic cheap ones, try to order one with the box and the case. Some of them ship with just a little plastic half cover on the head inside a bag. The cover seems to fall off and the needles can get fucked during shipping.

>start using minoxidil
>getting dry, flakey scalp and swelling in my ears, hands and feet
I can't win. I can't even grow a beard either.

thx b, I'll keep that in mind.

Balding has always been around, you just have to consider where your images of the past come from.

Kek

fuck me those germans had aesthetic skulls

>we already have topical Finasteride drugs like RU and they barely get any attention because Finasteride is good enough for nearly everyone.
The point of these new workings would be a one-time procedure that would end the need to apply lotions or take pills with frequency. It's meant to be something you walk into a clinic for, then leave and never worry about future hairloss progression. I have yet to see a project that attempts to rethicken a patients full scalp of hair save maybe new thin growths. I'd say we're at least 10-20 years away from that. The only one thus far that could theoretically do that would be tsuji... then again, that's just the cloning of donor hair and transplantation in the same manner as an FUE procedure, not a cure to the balding process if you ask me.

I like your pic though, I'm a norwood 2 and nizoral + dermaroller (coming in the mail) has been my first step to fighting my hairloss before I turn to drugs... I really hope they do a pubmed study on ketoconazole WITHOUT minoxidil soon.

Germanic people pull off hair recession so perfectly

Have you read about HCell?

Minoxidil absloutely wrecked my face. Worked like a charm, but made my face bloated and wrinkly. Minoxidil + finasteride was GOAT combo for my hairloss, hair was thick af and healthy while using. Too bad about the side effects, now im nw4 with severe top thinning. Oh well at least im white, relatively tall in my area, buff and have an attractive skull shape... if only I had a big fat white cock then Id be set. Feels vad man.

Low iodine fix your shit

Just to be clear here, we were talking about RCH-01 cell therapy, right? The treatment that uses a punch biopsy to attain cells, replicate them, and inject them back into the scalp? That's at least two hour long visits and I imagine the final cost would be at least $800 a treatment. That doesn't scream replacement for a $30 a year, one pill per day finasteride treatment for the vast majority of hair loss sufferers. I imagine follicle cloning will be absurdly expensive if it ever gets to that point, but it will be awesome for those who can afford it.

That Nizoral study was done without minoxidil, if I remember correctly. See study 1:
haargroeispecialist.nl/resources/product-files/files/Ketoconazole-Shampoo-Effect-of-Long-Term-Use-in-Androgenic-Alopecia.pdf

We're Norwood 2 Nizoral + Derma Roller bros, although it's tough to tell what is just a mature hairline and what is MPB at this point. Hedging my bets and ready to hope on Fin if it gets any worse. Good luck with your treatment.