Personally, most of my casters are going to have a staff. It might not even be magic because the rules for those suck ass unless you have lots of downtime, but I'm going to have one.
Aaron Murphy
We were on page 7, you dweeb.
New threads only on page 8+.
Isaac Wilson
Elves. They kind of got left in the dust, huh?
In a racial paradigm of kitsune, catfolk, blinklings, skinwalkers, aasimar, tieflings, ethumions, plain old humans, and bakeneko versions of all of the above, those knife-ears sure look vanilla.
How can we make elves great again in this rainbow of exotic races?
Lucas Ward
ctrl+z on space aliens lore, return them to being fey.
Make a big deal about how damn near any studied spellcaster has to know elven if they don't want to be shit at it; the long lived and magically gifted tend to spend their long lives being magically gifted, which makes most resources on the subject elven.
Jeremiah Smith
Athletic skills over a flight speed. I can't help it, it's just way more cool to climb and leap to the target than to float over to it.
Gabriel Martinez
Why has /pfg/ been on an anime streak lately?
Blake Hall
Because millenials.
Joshua Diaz
So... take something that makes them unique (literally not being from that world), and make them the same as almost every other race, in order to make them special?
Yeah... makes total sense.....
Levi Young
+Dex +Int Small race?
Jason Lee
Tiefling halfling
Elijah Collins
Essentially, it is a concern that over the stretch from CR 1 to CR 20, average monster Perception rises at a rate higher than 1 per CR.
A CR 1's average Perception modifier is +4.6, while a CR 20's average Perception modifier is +33.8, which means an average Perception increase of ~1.54 to Perception over the course of those 19 CR increases.
Having a primary or secondary score keyed to Stealth is a great help for this, since you will probably be raising that score with level advancement, items, and so on.
Magic items, of course, can shore this up, but then that is patching the issue with magic items.
Leo Lee
Fuck elves. Aasimar are more sacred, more beautiful, more good, more honorable, and more adored and respected by all races. Get out-Tolkiened you Tolkien wastebin race.
Aiden Gray
You can do that? What do they trade for it?
Dominic Sanders
Lashunta want to have a word with you.
And sure, they become "not an alien" like most races (not like anyone bothers with the implications of that anyway) but then adds back on "is a fey" like literally no other race is. Gnomes are like the fey's shitty cousin no one likes to talk about and don't have the creature type, so they hardly count.
Thomas Russell
So 14 dex, +5 competence item, +2 masterwork tool, +4 small size, +3 class skill, and 20 ranks for a +36 Stealth check. VERY minimal optimization here. I'm fairly comfortable with those numbers.
Ryan Brooks
They are small sized instead of medium. Nothing else changes. It relies on having a GM willing to roll with it though, since even though tiefling of non-human races exist, the shits may not accept it.
Christian Scott
Sorry, mathed wrong. Not small. So only +32, which I think is acceptable for such a minor investment.
Eli Gutierrez
>make obnoxious "perfect in every way" race whose only ""flaw"" is unrelatability to the less perfect races Why is this so common? I blame Tolkien and Star Trek.
Matthew Clark
Not him but going close to 50/50 at beating the *average* is kinda shit if you are specializing in a thing. If you have a skill fully invested, in-class with item support and a decent ability modifier, you should be succeeding more often than that at it.
Adam Reyes
>browse taldor characters >elf courtesan assigned to the job for no reason >japanese-named taldor ninja >literally recycled from sky pirates >furry throwing a hissy fit
Why is /pfg/ so bad at making characters?
Joshua Morgan
Because all the good characters got into RotJR in one form or another.
Bentley Brown
Minus whatever armor check penalty you have (lessened by 3 due to an upcoming racial trait), and as I have pointed out: >Magic items, of course, can shore this up, but then that is patching the issue with magic items.
A more practical comparison point would be a 10th-level, Strength/Wisdom-based manul in a masterwork breastplate.
Dreamscarred Press balances material with 20 point buy in mind ( archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48686569/#48688821 ), so we will have to assume Dexterity 12 for our manul here. On the other hand, by 10th-level, dual-score-dependent characters can usually count on a +4 enhancement bonus to a primary and a secondary ability score. That manul probably has Wisdom 16+2+4 = 22.
Without Wisdom in the Flesh: 1 Dexterity modifier + 10 ranks + 3 class skill + 4 Small size + 2 shinobi shozoku = +20
With Wisdom in the Flesh: 6 Wisdom modifier + 10 ranks + 3 class skill + 4 Small size + 2 shinobi shozoku = +25
Both of them have reliable chances against a CR 10, but the Wisdom in the Flesh-using manul has *significantly* more reliable chances thanks to having spent a single trait for a 5 higher modifier. That is extremely helpful to have on a skill that you really do not want to fail, such as Stealth.
Basically, it is a concern of "Wisdom in the Flesh lets the manul scale that much better for such a small price."
Adam Smith
>RotJR >Good characters You are delusional or have very low standards.
Luke Smith
I was using a bare minimum investment, not specialization. With a +10 competence item and dex buffed with a +6 item, then you get up to a more reasonable +40.
Also distance penalties on perception checks, potential size, luck, and trait bonuses.
Julian Hall
Desna is a space alien?
Nolan Bell
Wisdom in the Flesh is indeed an optimal choice for Wisdom primary characters, such as Manul. An optimal choice being a strong choice is not something we have an objection to - Brutal Slayer Stalkers, for example, also benefit to a massive degree from the trait. It might be worth looking at it from the lens of "is it worth spending a trait for +2 initiative and +2 damage a maximum of 5*wisdom modifier% percentage points more of the time", rather than assuming that their Ambush racial ability is always worth optimizing to this extent.
Lucas Mitchell
No, she is a redeemed eldritch abomination. Hence all her oldest servants aren't even humanoid and look like Mothra on LSD.
Aaron Gutierrez
Oh, and two people who didn't bother to read the game chargen rules (furry and ninja).
Benjamin Perry
One of the gods was a dude with a few levels in the NPC Warrior class that took the Test of the Starstone on a drunken bet.
So, the idea that the other Gods are weird isn't all that weird.
Benjamin Wood
Tell me about your churches of Shelyn?
Carter Garcia
Some are basically art museums, some are part-church part-theatre and others are THE CHURCH you go to to get married.
Joshua Nguyen
>Shelyn Meant Calistria
Hunter Fisher
Talking of temples, where is the book dedicated to them in the trobe?
Charles Brown
Do halflings make good swashbucklers? As far as swashbucklers go, I mean. I know.
Alexander Torres
>Implying temples of Calistria are anything less than holy brothels, guarded by scorpion-whip toting clerics and paladins.
Christopher Hall
I prefer Arshea temples.
Blake Garcia
>Worshiping a glorified angel, when there are already two or three gods that fill the same role.
Shit taste.
Parker Thomas
Go the Fearun route and have different subraces with different looks/cultures/statistics. Sun Elves, Moon Elves, Wood Elves, Sea Elves, Avarials, ect.
Kayden Kelly
Arshea isn't big enough for churches, she needs to squeeze in prayers where she can in the field.
Brayden Miller
It's already stupid that Half Elves and Aquatic Elves exist, don't need to get even shittier with it.
It's pretty nice, but you're either a human burning your extra feat to count as a goblin or actually playing a goblin.
Logan Hall
So any of you know what the 'Pathfinder Society Core Campaign Character System' is? I can't find it explicitly defined what is contained within it.
Levi Russell
Surviving doesn't mean much if you can't actually do anything.
Bentley White
Sounds like Pathfinder Society ran on Core only.
Jeremiah Brooks
That sounds awful why would anyone do that?
Ayden Jackson
Yeah, because Arshea is NG while Calistria is a CN bitch.
Jackson Lopez
Staggered isn't really that debilitating
Landon Perry
Why would you take Arcane Surge when you can take Wild Arcana?
Aiden Howard
because they have no other option
Daniel Perry
Is a tiefling with pass for human able to pick between human and tiefling favored class boni?
What about a non human tiefling (let's say half elven), could he pick from, human, elven and half elven?
Brayden Howard
No.
Dominic Campbell
hi Veeky Forums, I just played my first game of pathfinder last week with some colleagues. I started out just making a boring cleric, but now I want to make a prank master kitsune bard.
Should I pick realistic likeness or disguise self (from magical tail)? which is better?
Dominic Butler
No to both questions?
>and count as humanoid (human) as well as outsider (native) for all purposes
Thomas Parker
Huli jing youkai kitsune with Realistic Likeness!
Way better than Magical Tail, Magical Tail sucks.
Cameron Roberts
are the later ranks of it not worth the investment? charm person and invisibility look fun
Zachary Bell
It's a lot of investment, even if you're getting free feats or otherwise not having to spend your actual character feats for features.
Easton Diaz
How can one create an alien character in DnD?
Matthew Miller
The humanoid (Human) does not allow you to select human favored class bonuses, being human race allows you to select human favored class bonuses.
Anthony Collins
Nice elf
by the way what do you call the gentle druidic loner type of elf rather than the "we live in a tree city and live for 10000 years because we only eat cabbage and smell our own farts"
Jose Anderson
Tomorrow's Chelaxian Loyalty Day! I hope the parade has an actual devil in it, and not just guys in costumes...
Xavier Torres
Damn.
So it doesn't work for half elves either? Who are elves, half elves and humans?
Charles Perry
No, half-elves has a specific ability:
>Elf Blood: Half-elves count as both elves and humans for any effect related to race
Hunter Garcia
Alright, thanks, I'll skip it then.
Angel Gomez
How is that different to being human for all purposes?
Aiden Gutierrez
Are parades with actual outsiders a thing, even in such blatantly-infernal nations as Cheliax?
Owen Rodriguez
Yeah. Unless you want to hyper focus on becoming a nine-tailed Kitsune (and take something like Nine-Tailed Scion or Wracking Mysticism oracle) it's better not to bother with it at all.
Caleb Phillips
Half-Elves and Half-Orcs have explicit allowances from an FAQ.
>Can a half-elf or half-orc select human racial favored class options?
>Yes. Half-elves and half-orcs may select racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on, as if they were a full member of both races (a half-elf can select elf and human rules elements, a half-orc can select human and orc rules elements).
Hunter Lopez
So they explicitly stated that they can do it, but have not explicitly stated that Tieflings can't. Could be an oversight.
Jackson Butler
I assume the same applies to racial traits? So once again the half elf could take human, half elf and elf.
Bentley White
>rng kicked me out of dragon >pirates was a fake game >know for a fact I won't make it into WotRaunchy >Dev team is going to nuke Sultanas >Kon kon just bailed on fluffy I'm at a loss here guys
Jayden Robinson
Yep. She's got sodomy techniques from all across time and space.
Carson Edwards
Racial Traits yes, Alternate Racial Traits no
Christian Anderson
It could be an oversight, but it is not allowed by RAW, RAI you would need to ask Paizo and see what they say. I think so, and a tiefling with pass for human could pick human racial traits as well, just not FCB.
Zachary Mitchell
Thanks. Alright then. Seems a bit strange to me, since I doubt this would make that big an impact and I'm pretty much always in favor of choice when it comes down to it.
Oliver Flores
I'd like to squeeze something into her in a field
Parker Garcia
try joining a game that isn't shit?
Brandon Thompson
Have there even been any new postings in these threads?
Robert Jenkins
Any one from Dragon game on? How was yesterday's session?
Liam White
You should make a cute cleric prankster instead
Kevin Murphy
If you want to allow it I see no issues with it balance wise. Just is not RAW so if you want to run a character with it, it is really up to your gm.
Noah Cooper
>a game that isn't shit >in a /pfg/ thread
senpai I think you are missing my point
Michael Rogers
Play an elf
Nolan Long
>cleric >prankster
Jonathan Cox
Alright, thanks.
William Thompson
Is the roll20 lfg supposed to be better in your opinion? Is gamefinder here on tg? Where do you think better games are?
James Foster
Quick PFG what is the best preform skill?
Xavier Brown
>rng kicked me out of dragon Really? Which one were you?
Also, I noticed that Fluffy 2 is indeed dead. On one hand I feel better that I did not make a character for it an on the other it feels bad because another dead game. At least this time the GM just said it instead of disappearing without a trace.
Isaiah Baker
Go directly to recruitment, myth-weavers, gitpg, roll20, even the paizo site have more consistent offerings than here.
Dylan Parker
...
Isaiah Harris
Perform (Fellatio)
James Barnes
>mfw Veeky Forums fucking ate my spoiler tag
Matthew Howard
that's a pretty awful character design
Samuel Watson
Just pick a deity that believes in Fun
Gavin Foster
I don't think I'd be allowed to play my magical realm so openly like that
Jacob Allen
Just pick a DM that believes in Fun.
David Morgan
F is for fucking U and a Nother?
Brandon Sanchez
Join Taldor Ascendant? Explain which app is yours in Wrath of the Raunchy?
William Edwards
Oh come now, friend. There's only like, three applications that got in that really should not have gotten in.