Do you believe in logic?

You know damn well what you are doing, just get to the point.

>You know damn well what you are doing,
I thought I did until you wrote this.
>just get to the point
What point?

logic doesn't exist, it's a creation of the human mindz

Beliefs universally make people pissy due to lack of tolerance toward others' difference of opinion about said beliefs.

Beliefs shut down thinking and being challenged to think about them is like trying to wake a hibernating bear by poking it with a stick.

No, noit really. People still turn down a lot of great ideas because they aren't "logical" but when you ask them why something illogical is wrong they say something like, "I'll feel bad if it's not logical."

the question is malformed.

Isn't the world itself a creation of our minds?

Anyone who is a valid scientist understands that theories can't be assumed to be logically sound before they are tested. Therefore, sound scientists do not get rabid about being surrounded by pure logic, everywhere in the universe.

our minds are a part of reality like everything else

Mind disappears - reality disappears.

minds don't exist.

the apparatus of perception disappears. if your computer breaks down, does that mean the internet has ceased existing?

there is no "apparatus of perception"

If a tree falls in a forest, but there is no one around to hear it, does it still make a sound?

how do you know?

okay

there is no "there is no "apparatus of perception"
"

huh user i guess it is fun to just negate things and feel smug about it

How can one know anything?

>If a tree falls
What, like it tripped on ice or something? What you smoking mate lmao.

for sane definitions of sound, yes. or was i supposed to answer with a question too?

for some, making up constructs that aren't really "there" is fun

I think it's silly.

Dealing with reality is more of a thrill and more rewarding for me.

No, if it does a straight fall, like tower 7.

you can predict an event

This thread has become a mockery of logic.

Blasphemy.

there is no 'reality'

but there's your mechanical predictability

then someone asks 'what is there'
then you say 'nothing'
/thread

there is no 'predictability'

evidence of your predictability:
It'll still be there when you respond, I predict, too.

there is no 'evidence'

>have hurt feelings when it is implied that your existence is not monumentally important

/thread

He thinks you're goading him into dialectics.

>It'll still be there when you respond

Dear self: I was right!

OH. I almost feel like a drug dealer now.

You think you're psychic.

>>have hurt feelings when it is implied that your existence is not monumentally important
where was this implied?

there is no 'self'.

Your logic is stupid.

logic doens't exist

>It'll still be there when you respond, I predict, too.
>Dear self: I was right!

Is that circular logic?

it's pic related logic

Do (You) believe in solipsism too or is it just me?

Probably. Circular logic is superior to linear, anyway.

No, logic believes in me.

I don't believe in anything. Can't be bothered to.

It's not that I believe in not believing.

I am biologically lazy.

Get it? Bio-logical. Makes you think, huh.

Pure logic is, "You're special."

no, he could have died spontaneously while i answered.

>I don't believe in anything
not true, by the way

Well the thing about logic is that it's supposed to be akin to a machine. Logic is mentally constructed abstract machinery. It either works or it doesn't work, it requires no belief, and the results of logic are "supposed" to show clearly whether it has failed or not. If a car engine is constructed improperly, as a logical argument might be, then it just doesn't work. No amount of belief will change it, only changing the logic or "construction" of the operation will work.

Hope that answers your question.

Why is "smug negations" now being logical? Refreshing!

What do I believe in? I'll believe in what you tell me I believe in. I promise.

Logic as a tool. Do you believe in logic as a tool.

there is no 'refreshing'.

you're a tool

Now we're moving somewhere.

believe in my dick ;^)

but in all seriousness, you do have beliefs

You believe logic works. You said so by using logic as a solution against logic that didn't satisfy whatever.

You're a tool.

That's hard for me to believe.

I believe you're not too sure of anything.

yer mum's a slag

>I believe you're not too sure of anything.
??? i'm not sure what that means but i'm sure now that ure a fag lol

You realize that this very conversation is happening as a result of logic implemented into computer code right? This isn't magic happening here. unless you just want to see it that way, I'm cool with that

If/when logic works it is self-evident is my point.

Logic fails constantly but that is a result of the rule: Garbage in/Garbage out

You believe it was logic's doing, but maybe it was something else?

So, you believe in the logic of a computer software, not the "human mind," in operation. This is more tangible, I'll agree.

It is an error to assume that the human mind operates conversely like a computer. There is no evidence to support this.

yes but the thing is that logic will not always work. it's a model of reality, a good one, but it's not reality

reality is beneath logic.

logic is an attempt to formulate a better reality.

>It is an error to assume that the human mind operates conversely like a computer.

No I don't think it does, but that mode of operating can be done by the human mind, obviously since it was the human mind with created computing. The human mind is capable of so much more than mere logical computation, of course.

> since it was the human mind with created computing

Since it was with the human mind the sistine chapel was conceived, it's no problem if it burns down because we can just rebuild it with all its artwork complete.

>The human mind is capable of so much more than mere logical computation, of course.

I'm refraining from rolling my eyes. Not that I'm disagreeing necessarily, it's just the wording--we're on a literature board, so critiques of this nature are apropos.

>Since it was with the human mind the sistine chapel was conceived, it's no problem if it burns down because we can just rebuild it with all its artwork complete.

I don't get what you're on about here. I'm confused.
>it's just the wording

Forgive my wording, inebriation

>since it was the human mind with created computing

What logic allowed evolution and DNA to build a mind? let along one that wants to shitpost about logic.

The argument against logic worship right here, folks.

Define "Logic" using your Logic.

The pointing a finger at and laughing argument

I meant computing as in logic machines, not the phenomenon of computing itself

I was agreeing.

I bet you wonder what those funny symbols mean when you look in a math book

logic ded

I didn't say it couldn't be logic, DNA is information.

>Guys, logic isn't real

>continues using computer

>again, worship of computer software

>using computer
>shitposting on Veeky Forums
>having debate about logic
>think logic has anything to do with beliefe
>imply implications
>le worshiping computer software
>logic isn't real
>shitposting on Veeky Forums
>continue using computer he doesn't believe is real

An argument for circular logic. I can accept that.

>If you believe in logic

...

yeah logic

Tetralema

>Shits on logic using logic

*runs away screaming*

Shits on shitting on logic using shitting on logic. See how this goes?

Great thread everybody. Keep up the good work.

thanks

No, I believe in reason.