It is truly embarrassing to watch math majors try and communicate ideas about anything that isn't math.
What's worse is you'd think someone doing a masters in math would at least know something about making a coherent argument. Let me point out a single flaw of the many: who the fuck would compare mathematicians to engineers. It makes no sense.
And whats EVEN WORSE is the idiots in this thread that honestly think a question of this sort can be answered.
Fuck off
>No why would I want to return to puritanism? Sexual freedom is a great achievement.
Fair enough, I agree that it is.
>Please don't inflate the terms liberal and progressive.
I admit that I thought these terms were used interchangeably (I think the term is conflate). I don't really hear these terms used that much. Would you be able to summarise their respective views?
>The sex negative policies are mostly based on sexual objectification theory: en.wikipedia.org
>A mainstream line of thought in the modern feminist movement and subsequently leftist parties in the western world and a cause for major outrage on all sides.
Like I was saying, I'm not aware of this catching on outside of feminism. If I am wrong I hope you can show this, as always.
>The ideology of Islam itself is regressive. And you seem to confuse "regressive" with "reactionary".
-The definition of regressive is returning to a previous less developed state. I think this was fairly clear, I'm not sure why you thought I was using the term to mean "reactionary".
-Islam in practice actually used to be fairly liberal for its time, with wahhabism starting in the 19th century and gaining influence in the middle of the 20th century. So the turn to what looks to us like excessive conservatism is actually the opposite of regression for islam.
>I suggest you read the Hadith.
Many religions have extreme sections of scripture which become outdated and have to be reconciled (made irrelevent) with theology in order for the religion to remain teneble in the contemporary world. I could ask you to read Leviticus in order to understand modern christianity, but do you think that part of the bible is relevant to the lives of christians? Was it more relevant in the past? Is there a correlation between the developmental stage of a country and the relevance within it of such aspects of religion?
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>marriage ... with pre-pubescent girls is allowed
This appears to only be an issue in parts of subsaharan africa and around the bangladesh region, and seems to predate islam. It looks like a case of sharia law being interpreted to fit preexisting practices.
>1.1 billion Muslims out of 1.6 billion Muslims on earth think sharia should rule and
The application of sharia law varies widely around the world, and is often misrepresented at times when talked about in the west. There is no ubiquitous system of sharia law - sharia simply means that parts of the law are derived from sections of islamic scripture. In many places the legal system remains fairly liberal overall.
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>it includes such fun parts as women being unable to divorce men without their consent while men can do it whenever they feel like it
>no women in politics
>And gender based inequality is a mainstream part of Islam
>wife beating being allowed an encouraged
These are not laws across the islamic world. But culturally, these things used to hold sway in christian countries:
Titus 2:5 - "To be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled."
I Corinthians 13:34 - “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak"
Ephesians 5:22-24 - “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."
I Timothy 2:12-14 - “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”
But the west now has much better gender equality. Nations shouldn't be and don't end up being chained to their cultural foundations. As a country industrialises, and its people become educated, they tend to improve upon these things. The middle east is at a stage of this process that we were at a long time ago. I hope they can overcome the current chaos so that they can resume their development.
>That infographic
The data for that image was taken in 2013, right after the height of the arab spring (see pic related). Studies have shown that when people perceive themselves to be at great external threat, they tend towards political authoritarianism and start to see strict rules for society as a positive. Take this in the context of the middle east's middle stage of educational development, factor in omnipresent pull of political wahhabism, and you may start to see how a civilization can end up having a poll with results like this.
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