When will invitro meat take off?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

When will invitro meat take off?

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

when the silly little "superground" strings look like sprouts, so the vegan fuckfaces can consume conscientiously

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

When the price gets down to, say, no more than 30% more than "regular" meat.
The actual percentage may vary. How much of a premium are shoppers willing to pay today for "organic"?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

There's more incentive to buy these meat than organic food, since they taste better than regular meat

cum2soon
cum2soon

How do you know?
People who made it aren't a reliable source.

Flameblow
Flameblow

TFW my family are cattle ranchers, and we'll probably get BTFO'd sometime in the future.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Why couldn't they just sell their meat with an "authentic" markup?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Never. It's a solution that looks for a problem.
And that never works commercially.

Carbon footprint is your concern? Eat less meat.
You're vegan? Simpler alternatives exist.

Nojokur
Nojokur

What would be the advantage of "authentic" meat?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

It's a solution to the "killing animals for meat is wrong especially if invitro meat exists, and once invitro meat is around we lobby to ban non-invitro meat from being allowed to be sold and slap felony charges on killing livestock animals".

Spamalot
Spamalot

It could become for efficient than livestock once the process is mature

hairygrape
hairygrape

For sure. Livestock has to burn through so much feed to support metabolism, movement, cns, growth of inedible parts... Once that stuff is cut out, vat grown meat will be substantially less energy intensive, and hopefully cheaper.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Sure.
Animals are inefficient at converting food into muscle.
We don't help by feeding cattle corn and grain -- stuff that WE could eat. Smaller animals (chicken, rabbits, even pigs) have better food-to-flesh ratios, reproduce faster, and are do fine on waste that humans can't digest.
Hooves, skin, teeth, and several types of offal are discarded (depending on how desperate your culture is.) Tissue in a vat doesn't burn energy staying warm, walking, chewing, or digesting.

It's like comparing a factory-built house with one hammered together by workmen on-site. Economics (and precision) of mass-production.

Even leaving morality aside, I'd be perfectly happy eating hamburger that never mooed.
I'd also like to see a term that H. Beam Piper used become popular. "Carniculture".

idontknow
idontknow

There are some meats, such as Jamon Iberico, which allegedly have a certain taste because of the animals being raised in a certain climate, so I'm sure it will continue to have a market with culinary purists.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Lap grown meat does run into some problems though.
It doesn't experience any of the flexing and relaxing that regular old meat does which means most of it is going to have texture similar to veal.
Before they get over the cost barrier, they're going to next to figure out how to create the diversity of texture and taste that meat from even a single species can have.

Evilember
Evilember

Y'know, there's a group of researchers who are "calibrating" wine.
A panel of humans characterize varieties as "fruity", "smoky", "sweet", or a hundred other vague terms.
Then they run the wine though a mass spectrometer and use statistical analysis to see just which chemicals are responsible for just which flavors.

The hope (or fear, depending on your culture) is that someday wine will not be fickly dependent on weather and which side of the hill the grapes were planted on. Chateau d'chemistry 2056 will be available in any quantity.

Most "wine snobs" fail blind taste tests. Once meat-that's-real-except-that-it-never-was-part-of-an-animal gets going, making "Kobe Beef" will just be a matter of tweaking the recipe, kneading the tissue, and adding some beer to the mix.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

We're not there yet. There's some outfit which claims the distinctive taste of meat comes from the heme molecule. They can extract that from plants.

We have to differentiate between something which looks and tastes like meat (but is vegetable) and actual animal muscle tissue which is being cloned and grown like Bill Cosby's "Chickenheart".
It the latter is successful, I assume the muscle-in-a-vat will be "exercised" with electric shocks. I've had that done as part of physical therapy.

Booteefool
Booteefool

When will invitro meat take off?

Never, glass is the wrong substrate for a culture medium. You're basically growing a tumor colony as long as silica fluid makes up the solid base for the culture.

The only feasible thing we might make is fake ground beef. Once you start flexing the tissue for texture, it uses so much energy that you might as well grow a whole mammal on cellulose.

There are some high-pH recipes for fermented ground beef, and the net mass increases. The thing that people should study is whether it is feasible to indefinitely sustain meiotic cycles in ground beef.

I helped a jewish friend of mine with the basic theory, and he made something that works. The only problem with product rollout is that there is too much bad investment wrapped up in ideas that will plainly not work. Too few investment bankers understood the prerequisite systems biology and cell biology to make a spread or hedge that included winners.

TL DR;
It's here, but too few understand the right way to make it- or even how to say it. Undue favor is granted towards those who are making big mistakes with other people's money.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Most "wine snobs" fail blind taste tests.
Sommeliers don't. Just because the majority of people can't taste things doesn't mean there isn't legitimacy to wine snobbery

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

we lobby to ban
Nice democracy you've got there.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Ive tried some pata negra and my man I cant even describe how good that stuff is.
Seriously, it makes you wanna cry, its simply stupid good.
Its made from pigs that have only eaten apricorns their whole life.
Lab made shit simply cant replace the real deal.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Right before the first colony drop.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

yeah lol whatever. I prefer technocracy.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

nothing wrong with those mungbean kiddo's
they taste good and are super easy to make.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

No they don't. People say artificial meet tastes like shit. The scientific reason is because it lacks all the other stuff that comes with real meat, such as fat. Much like is the case with fat, protein needs to be mixed with other flavours to taste good to us.

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Techpill
Techpill

As soon as we engineer a machine that can do the labor of laying the thin layers one over the other, I guess prices will drop pretty hard. Cost of production is the only thing they need to overcome. I think people will actually prefer this to regular meat, because it doesn't come from a cow that ate antibiotics-filled super food, didn't spend his life in mass husbandry, didn't cause any deforestation and greenhouse gases, and didn't need to be slaughtered.

WebTool
WebTool

For now. One day we will be able to replicate la puta negra anywhere and use it at our pleasure.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Good luck mass producing any kind of mammalian cell to a consistent level, this is one of the biggest problems in modern biotechnology.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Most "wine snobs" fail blind taste tests. Once meat-that's-real-except-that-it-never-was-part-of-an-animal gets going, making "Kobe Beef" will just be a matter of tweaking the recipe, kneading the tissue, and adding some beer to the mix.
First when you say "wine snobs" what you mean is "wine retards" because professional sommeliers absolutely can distinguish all the way down to the local county where a wine was produced on a consistent basis. Second Kobe beef cannot be replicated in a lab because what makes it Kobe is the process leading up to the cut of meat. I hate the word flyover but seriously try and get some culture.

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Snarelure
Snarelure

actually yes Sommeliers also mostly fail

iluvmen
iluvmen

huh?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

arguments like this when the demographic is fat-ass walmart land whales that eat ground up pig lips erry day

Lunatick
Lunatick

your autism is palpable

idontknow
idontknow

source faggot
the reason they become sommeliers is specifically because they don't fail blind tests

TechHater
TechHater

proabably true, feelsbadman

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Soft_member
Soft_member

It's easy user, start investing in other areas.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

KEK

Methshot
Methshot

la puta negra
I don't know if you did this on purpose, but you've caused some hearty keks on the east coast.

WebTool
WebTool

What this will mean is that animal meat will become the 'good stuff' and the number of cattle get's decreased substantially, switching from quantity to quality. But not to an extreme amount. I'm sure real meat will remain a common thing in super-markets for the foreseeable future, a bit more expensive though.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Also, I'm looking forward to trying types of meat made to taste like exotic animals. Really looking forward to eating "Panda".

eGremlin
eGremlin

Meanwhile in reality land in order to become a recognized sommelier you are subjected to literally thousands of blind tastings which you have to get overwhelmingly correct or they wont endorse you. There is even a documentary on it to spoon feed you the information since I know youve never read a book in your life. Its even on netflix, entitled SOMM.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

There are probably a lot of fake sommeliers out there who don't have credentials.

I see fake wine as being a threat for boxed wine makers more than for the more respected brands.

likme
likme

Its possible, but some producers already buy bulk grain alcohol and mix it with whatever the fuck and sugar and try and sell it as mid tier product. To be perfectly honest I cant imagine a world in which you could successfully replicate "real" wine with a slurry of alcohol, water, and x ingredients. People have been consuming vast quantities of house wine for thousands of years so I dont see much of an impetus.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Couldn't they mix the meat with tofu to create the texture?

Emberburn
Emberburn

as reliable as tour de france, no bribes ever

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Why would it when we already have a perfectly good way of producing meat?

Spamalot
Spamalot

I hope so. I love fuckin salami but I've been a vegetarian for years goddamn I miss that shit. Also would be nice to have some beef mince chili again, added bonus without all the anus, connective tissue and faeces.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

For your average meat snob just add shit to it. Literally.

farquit
farquit

Soylent green?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

professional sommeliers absolutely can distinguish all the way down to the local county where a wine was produced on a consistent basis

This is bullshit. Sure, maybe there exists a few with super taste buds but generally even professionals fail taste tests.

Humans think they're better at things than they actually are.

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